Discussion:
So tell us, anti-choicers......
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l***@yahoo.ca
2014-10-28 03:19:58 UTC
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?

"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."

http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp


"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."

<snip>

"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm

In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
elizabeth
2014-10-28 04:14:28 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.

I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.

What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.

People that sick and twisted cannot be changed, cannot be "cured" of their insane assholery, and they know the world would be a better place if they weren't in it, so that is why they seem to want to get so much hate generated. It's kind of like a "blue suicide," they want someone else to kill them for them!
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-10-30 23:09:08 UTC
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Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a fetus has feelings.
Post by elizabeth
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Post by elizabeth
People that sick and twisted cannot be changed, cannot be "cured" of their insane assholery, and they know the world would be a better place if they weren't in it, so that is why they seem to want to get so much hate generated. It's kind of like a "blue suicide," they want someone else to kill them for them!
Planet Visitor II
2014-10-31 04:04:22 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital
discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there
were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a
principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast
majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts
severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman
to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy
may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the
baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are
aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most
severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity
(SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on
recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable
to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with.
If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination,
you might want to consider moving to Iran.
How many children have YOU had, lizzy? My wife had four, and the worst thing she complained
about was hemorrhoids. I'll bet you're scared shitless about the possibility of becoming pregnant.
You must be the only 60-year-old virgin in the U.S. No wonder you have penis-envy.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to
suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Women are SUPPOSED to be capable of having children and HAVE a maternal instinct. But
unfortunately lizzy believes that if a woman is poor and Black she is genetically wired to
not have that maternal instinct.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a
fetus has feelings.
Well, have you ever asked a fetus if they have feelings?? Think this fetus has NO FEELINGS???
See --
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You fucking ignorant, uneducated hypocrite.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the
fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Well, you can always off yourself, if you're really determined to do your part in
solving overpopulation on this planet. Maybe you can get lizzy to join you in
the "Lemmings leap."


Planet Visitor II
elizabeth
2014-10-31 04:50:58 UTC
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On Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:04:56 PM UTC-7, Planet Visitor II wrote:

AssNole, I chose not to have children, and I didn't.

There is a very strong correlation between early/frequent childbearing and low IQ in women.

Now, go kill yourself, do one good thing for your wife. She's suffered enough.

At least you don't post so many endless, longwinded word salads.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-01 02:46:39 UTC
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Post by elizabeth
AssNole, I chose not to have children,
Ah... that explains your "barren womb syndrome." And the reason you don't want
any other women to have a child. And the reason you have penis envy.


Planet Visitor II
elizabeth
2014-11-01 11:45:44 UTC
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Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by elizabeth
AssNole, I chose not to have children,
Ah... that explains your "barren womb syndrome." And the reason you don't want
any other women to have a child. And the reason you have penis envy.
Care to provide any primary source for your claim there is any such "syndrome" in any psych/medical texts?

I had to fight like hell to prevent birthing. You just can't handle women who don't need anything from you and would rather rip your guts out than let you have anything to do with them.

Not my fault your mother didn't stick a rusty coat hanger up her twat when she fucked that pit bull and got knocked up.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-02 18:20:11 UTC
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<clip lizzy, the vulgar, sadistic, creepy, and bloodthirsty baby murderer, obsessing over
Jim Noles>

Oops... nothing left.

Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
yellow-eyed, sagging jowl, Holocaust denying loser.


Planet Visitor II
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-10-31 05:56:24 UTC
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Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital
discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there
were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a
principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast
majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts
severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman
to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy
may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the
baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are
aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most
severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity
(SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on
recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable
to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with.
If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination,
you might want to consider moving to Iran.
How many children have YOU had, lizzy? My wife had four, and the worst thing she complained
about was hemorrhoids.
Was that before or after you fucked her to keep her from dumping you? What did you do, knock her up on purpose to make her stay? You sick, vile pig. Best to shut up about your wife given that you've bragged about doing something to her that sounds a lot like rape.

Incidentally, are you aware that you're responding to my words but addressing somebody else?
Post by Planet Visitor II
I'll bet you're scared shitless about the possibility of becoming pregnant.
Given the risks, what woman wouldn't be?
Post by Planet Visitor II
You must be the only 60-year-old virgin in the U.S.
No wonder you have penis-envy.
Another in your long line of disgustingly sexist statements. Why don't you try the one about how she wants to be raped again, psycho.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to
suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Women are SUPPOSED to be capable of having children and HAVE a maternal instinct.
Typical of you, fascist, to try to dictate to women who they should be and how they should feel. Not all women want children. Women are individuals and driven by more than just hormones, you stupid sexist wanker.
Post by Planet Visitor II
But
unfortunately lizzy believes that if a woman is poor and Black she is genetically wired to
not have that maternal instinct.
Heh! You're the racist who claims black people love their kids more, asshole.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a
fetus has feelings.
Well, have you ever asked a fetus if they have feelings??
Laughable. You're a hopeless self-parody, making yourself look stupider and more shameless with each worthless post.

Think this fetus has NO FEELINGS???
Post by Planet Visitor II
See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/fetus.jpg
You fucking ignorant, uneducated hypocrite.
I've told you this before, scumbag; your stupid propaganda photo does nothing to refute the ~established fact~ that a fetus can't possibly have feelings in the first two trimesters. You've been given factual information which proves it, but were too cowardly to confront it, shitbird.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the
fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Well, you can always off yourself, if you're really determined to do your part in
solving overpopulation on this planet. Maybe you can get lizzy to join you in
the "Lemmings leap."
You mewled endlessly about how awful it was when Elizabeth told you to kill yourself. Different standards apply for ~you~, naturally. You should know that I don't give a shit and won't cry about it like you did, titty baby.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-01 02:46:59 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital
discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there
were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a
principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast
majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts
severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman
to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy
may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the
baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are
aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most
severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity
(SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on
recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable
to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with.
If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination,
you might want to consider moving to Iran.
How many children have YOU had, lizzy? My wife had four, and the worst thing she complained
about was hemorrhoids.
Was that before or after you fucked her to keep her from dumping you? What did you do, knock her
up on purpose to make her stay? You sick, vile pig. Best to shut up about your wife given that you've bragged about doing something to her that sounds a lot like rape.
Obviously you find my wife to be a "juicy target" for you to rape. Sorry, you sick bastard,
she's usually too old for even a rapist, unless they're as sick as you seem to be. Perhaps
you should try raping your mother, which would be difficult as I hear she's always up for
"a good time," and would more likely be a volunteer.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Incidentally, are you aware that you're responding to my words but addressing somebody else?
It's hard to tell the difference between the two of you. You both have the same
methods in calling anyone who disagrees with you a "sheep fucker," or a "rapist."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
I'll bet you're scared shitless about the possibility of becoming pregnant.
Given the risks, what woman wouldn't be?
My wife. And I suspect far more women than those who ARE scared shitless about
the possibility of becoming pregnant. But when someone like you hates women
so much that he insists they must ALL be scared shitless to be pregnant it only
exposes the depths of your depravity.

I suspect you have no children, and probably have no wife. Since you sound like
a "mama's boy" to me. Does she still spank you? Do you get a woody when she
hugs you??
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
You must be the only 60-year-old virgin in the U.S.
No wonder you have penis-envy.
Another in your long line of disgustingly sexist statements. Why don't you try the one about
how she wants to be raped again, psycho.
But lizzy claims I couldn't want to rape her because I only want to fuck sheep or young
boys. Is she a sheep? Yes or No. Is she a young boy? Yes or No.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to
suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Women are SUPPOSED to be capable of having children and HAVE a maternal instinct.
Typical of you, fascist, to try to dictate to women who they should be and how they should feel. Not all women want children. Women are individuals and driven by more than just hormones, you stupid sexist wanker.
Actually it's not ME... it's NATURE that dictates what a woman should be capable of doing,
and drives them to not be afraid of doing it. Who elected YOU to overrule NATURE??? I
know you're a Bible-thumper, but clearly you can't overrule EVOLUTION, unless you have
a God-complex. Do you have a God-complex? How in the world do YOU KNOW what
women want? It is sexist to claim that a man knows what ALL WOMEN WANT.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
But
unfortunately lizzy believes that if a woman is poor and Black she is genetically wired to
not have that maternal instinct.
Heh! You're the racist who claims black people love their kids more, asshole.
That's not genetic. But probably true because of the past of slavery, and now part
of a meme that motivates Blacks to be more caring of their children than Whites, but
only in the U.S., as a "legacy" of SLAVERY, and the fact that so many are poor, which
is always a factor that drives a greater nurturing toward family connectedness for
mutual support than when a family is rich. Just as SLAVERY is responsible for
American Blacks being the most religiously devout group in the U.S. See --
http://www.christianpost.com/news/african-americans-most-religiously-devout-group-36736/
The reason for this is certainly not GENETIC, but a result of SLAVERY, and seeing
religion as a moral crutch to hold on to, in spite of being treated as non-persons
during that period.

It is a fact that the poor have more children than the rich. It is a fact that those who
support abortion obviously target the poor for abortion because of that. It is a
form of Plutocracy that drives support for on-demand abortion in the U.S., and in
doing so helps support the objectives of racists in targeting Blacks for more
abortion than Whites because they are poor, and because they do have more
children than Whites, and would have far more children than Whites if there
were no on-demand abortion.

This is seen as an obscene objective by those who support abortion because they
live in great fear of a much larger Black population, which they claim will only result
in more POOR, which is a hypothesis not supported by any fact. Truth be told, those
who support on-demand abortion in the U.S. strongly support the level of Black
abortion rate of 36% of all abortions, and would not favor a 12.6% Black abortion
rate in line with the Black population. This is not OVERT racism, but clearly is
a form of being satisfied with the status quo of a larger percentage of Black
to White abortions. They like it just the way it is. This has been shown over and
over with excuses here from those who support abortion that this Black abortion
rate of 36% is "irrelevant," because the Black population in the U.S. is not
decreasing as a result of it. In other words, they like it just the way it is.

While I strongly favor a much larger Black population and believe it will REDUCE
the level of poverty among Blacks as there will be a tipping point which will result
in a greater level of education and employment opportunity because of that
large pool of eligible youth that can no longer be ignored. In any case, the
minority never suffers if it becomes less of a minority than it is.

In any case, I have never argued that there is the SLIGHTEST genetic difference
between Blacks and Whites. While lizzy has certainly implied that the reason
Blacks abort their pregnancies more than Whites is genetic. She insists it isn't
racism, and that Blacks just like to be poor and live in the ghetto.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a
fetus has feelings.
Well, have you ever asked a fetus if they have feelings??
Laughable. You're a hopeless self-parody, making yourself look stupider and more shameless with each worthless post.
So the answer is NO. Yet you claim you DO KNOW. Obviously it's that God-complex
of yours at work again. You really think you can cover up your ignorance with an
insult. How typical.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Think this fetus has NO FEELINGS???
Post by Planet Visitor II
See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/fetus.jpg
You fucking ignorant, uneducated hypocrite.
I've told you this before, scumbag; your stupid propaganda photo does nothing to refute the ~established fact~ that a fetus can't possibly have feelings in the first two trimesters. You've been given factual information which proves it, but were too cowardly to confront it, shitbird.
Ah, but you made no mention of any "trimester." You really think you can cover
up your ignorance with an insult. How typical. Was that a picture of a FETUS
or NOT? Yes or No. Did that picture show FEELINGS? Yes or No.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the
fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Well, you can always off yourself, if you're really determined to do your part in
solving overpopulation on this planet. Maybe you can get lizzy to join you in
the "Lemmings leap."
You mewled endlessly about how awful it was when Elizabeth told you to kill yourself. Different standards apply for ~you~, naturally. You should know that I don't give a shit and won't cry about it like you did, titty baby.
But you're the one complaining about over-population. I'm not doing so, so why
should it be demanded by lizzy that "I" sacrifice my life for her and your objective?
I'm simply offering you a way for "YOU" to do your part in achieving YOUR objective.
Certainly it's obscene to demand that "I" sacrifice MY LIFE for YOUR objective.
But it's reasonable to ask that you do YOUR part for YOUR OWN objective, rather
than "I" do it for you. If you intended to support on-demand abortion in the
U.S. by a carrying a sign outside of the White House with your objective written
in it, would you really expect ME to carry that sign FOR YOU???

What were your words??? Oh, yeah... "Overpopulation is destroying the
planet." What do you intend to do about it, that doesn't involve killing others
who do not believe in your doctrine?? Obviously, if you're willing to demand
that OTHERS do what they can to solve what YOU consider a problem, why
don't YOU volunteer to do your part, rather than demanding it of others?

But this is far too complicated for your tiny mind to grasp. Because it's all about
YOU, and saving your own life, while demanding that "I" sacrifice MINE and
fetuses sacrifice theirs to suit YOU, and YOUR objective.


Planet Visitor II
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-11-01 06:12:28 UTC
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Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital
discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there
were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a
principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast
majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts
severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman
to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy
may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the
baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are
aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most
severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity
(SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on
recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable
to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with.
If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination,
you might want to consider moving to Iran.
How many children have YOU had, lizzy? My wife had four, and the worst thing she complained
about was hemorrhoids.
Was that before or after you fucked her to keep her from dumping you? What did you do, knock her
up on purpose to make her stay? You sick, vile pig. Best to shut up about your wife given that you've bragged about doing something to her that sounds a lot like rape.
Obviously you find my wife to be a "juicy target" for you to rape.
Obvious how, scum? You're the one who bragged about it.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Sorry, you sick bastard,
she's usually too old for even a rapist, unless they're as sick as you seem to be.
Thanks for confirming once again that you think rape is about sexual desire, psychopath.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Perhaps
you should try raping your mother, which would be difficult as I hear she's always up for
"a good time," and would more likely be a volunteer.
Slurs on an innocent, uninvolved person noted and dismissed, scum. Your belief that women want rape is also noted once again.
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Incidentally, are you aware that you're responding to my words but addressing somebody else?
It's hard to tell the difference between the two of you. You both have the same
methods in calling anyone who disagrees with you a "sheep fucker," or a "rapist."
Translation: "I'm a senile, crazy old fuck and I forgot who I was talking to. I don't know my ass from a teapot. Please kill me."
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I'll bet you're scared shitless about the possibility of becoming pregnant.
Given the risks, what woman wouldn't be?
My wife.
Since you have hinted that you raped her (you euphemistically called it "bedded") so she'd be too scared to leave you, I'm guessing you don't have a ton of insight into her feelings, scum.
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And I suspect far more women than those who ARE scared shitless about
the possibility of becoming pregnant. But when someone like you hates women
so much that he insists they must ALL be scared shitless to be pregnant it only
exposes the depths of your depravity.
How does that work, Jim? explain how it's depraved to think women might be scared of the possible consequences of pregnancy?

You have no room to talk about depravity, with the evil shit you post. You are, no exaggeration, the most depraved, twisted poster I've ever seen on alt.abortion. Worse than J Young and Heishman put together. Your seething, psychopathic malice is palpable. You're trapped in an old man's body and no longer able to physically abuse people, so you go on usenet and post reams of misogynistic, perverted filth and narcissistic drivel. Who do you think you're fooling?
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I suspect you have no children, and probably have no wife.
Bully for you.
Who gives a shit what you, I, or anybody else suspects, fool?
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Since you sound like
a "mama's boy" to me.
You don't even know if I'm a boy or a girl, amateur. You assumed. Why is that?
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Does she still spank you? Do you get a woody when she
hugs you??
Wow, your twisted inner landscape is out there for all to see. Mommy issues much, psychopath?
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You must be the only 60-year-old virgin in the U.S.
No wonder you have penis-envy.
Another in your long line of disgustingly sexist statements. Why don't you try the one about
how she wants to be raped again, psycho.
But lizzy claims I couldn't want to rape her because I only want to fuck sheep or young
boys. Is she a sheep? Yes or No. Is she a young boy? Yes or No.
Whenever you say somebody claims something, that indicates you're about to lie. Hell, whenever you put your gnarled fingers onto the keyboard to type it indicates you're about to lie.
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Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to
suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Women are SUPPOSED to be capable of having children and HAVE a maternal instinct.
Typical of you, fascist, to try to dictate to women who they should be and how they should feel. Not all women want children. Women are individuals and driven by more than just hormones, you stupid sexist wanker.
Actually it's not ME... it's NATURE that dictates what a woman should be capable of doing,
Nature doesn't make value judgements like "should", idiot. Nature only provides maternal instinct and ability to most women, but not all. What they do with it is up to them. The rational mind can rule over instinct if it is in one's interest to do so. This is what a woman's mind does every time she ignores the tug of maternal instinct and uses contraception, you pig-ignorant dullard.
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and drives them to not be afraid of doing it. Who elected YOU to overrule NATURE???
You can prove that nature somehow prevents women from fearing the consequences of pregnancy? That would mean no woman has ever feared it. You're really going to run with that?
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I know you're a Bible-thumper,
Lie.
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but clearly you can't overrule EVOLUTION, unless you have
a God-complex. Do you have a God-complex? How in the world do YOU KNOW what
women want?
Where did I claim I know what women want, scum? Where did I dispute evolution, scum? Strawmen are all you have, loser. That's because you are utterly inadequate at making arguments, buffoon.
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It is sexist to claim that a man knows what ALL WOMEN WANT.
And it's stupid to use a strawman to illustrate that point, crud.
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But
unfortunately lizzy believes that if a woman is poor and Black she is genetically wired to
not have that maternal instinct.
Heh! You're the racist who claims black people love their kids more, asshole.
That's not genetic.
Oh, so only claims about ~genetic~ differences are racist? So if a racist told you that blacks are ___ (fill in the blank with any nasty, negative claim), it's not racist if they put it down to nurture rather than nature?
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But probably true because of the past of slavery, and now part
of a meme that motivates Blacks to be more caring of their children than Whites, but
only in the U.S., as a "legacy" of SLAVERY, and the fact that so many are poor, which
is always a factor that drives a greater nurturing toward family connectedness for
mutual support than when a family is rich.
Oh, so now poor people love their kids more. What factual info do you base that on, nut?
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Just as SLAVERY is responsible for
American Blacks being the most religiously devout group in the U.S. See --
http://www.christianpost.com/news/african-americans-most-religiously-devout-group-36736/
The reason for this is certainly not GENETIC, but a result of SLAVERY, and seeing
religion as a moral crutch to hold on to, in spite of being treated as non-persons
during that period.
It is a fact that the poor have more children than the rich.
It is a fact that those who
support abortion obviously target the poor for abortion because of that.
Bzzt! Begging the question. It's not established that anyone has been "targeted", scum.
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It is a
form of Plutocracy that drives support for on-demand abortion in the U.S., and in
doing so helps support the objectives of racists in targeting Blacks for more
abortion than Whites because they are poor, and because they do have more
children than Whites, and would have far more children than Whites if there
were no on-demand abortion.
This is seen as an obscene objective by those who support abortion
Baloney. You can't possibly know what every supporter of abortion thinks, asshat.
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because they
live in great fear of a much larger Black population,
Crock of shit. You can't possibly know that, dolt.
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which they claim will only result
in more POOR, which is a hypothesis not supported by any fact.
Really? It's not a fact that having kids you can't support contributes to being poor?
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Truth be told,
Indicates a lie is coming.
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those
who support on-demand abortion in the U.S. strongly support the level of Black
abortion rate of 36% of all abortions, and would not favor a 12.6% Black >abortion rate in line with the Black population.
And there it is.
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This is not OVERT racism,
It's not anything until you can prove it's even true, scum.
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but clearly is
a form of being satisfied with the status quo of a larger percentage of Black
to White abortions. They like it just the way it is. This has been shown over and
over with excuses here from those who support abortion that this Black abortion
rate of 36% is "irrelevant," because the Black population in the U.S. is not
decreasing as a result of it.
In other words, they like it just the way it is.
As usual, Jim Noles thinks he's a mind-reader and that his biased, loony impressions constitute fact.
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While I strongly favor a much larger Black population and believe it will REDUCE
the level of poverty among Blacks as there will be a tipping point which will result
in a greater level of education and employment opportunity because of that
large pool of eligible youth that can no longer be ignored. In any case, the
minority never suffers if it becomes less of a minority than it is.
In any case, I have never argued that there is the SLIGHTEST genetic difference between Blacks and Whites.
While lizzy has certainly implied
Bzzt! "Implied". Weasel word = you made it up.
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that the reason
Blacks abort their pregnancies more than Whites is genetic.
Quotes, scum. Prove it.
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She insists it isn't
racism, and that Blacks just like to be poor and live in the ghetto.
I'm certain that she did not post those words, scum. Provide quotes or shut your flapper.
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Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a
fetus has feelings.
Well, have you ever asked a fetus if they have feelings??
Laughable. You're a hopeless self-parody, making yourself look stupider and more shameless with each worthless post.
So the answer is NO. Yet you claim you DO KNOW.
No, I claim scientists know.

"It is concluded that the basic neuronal substrate required to transmit somatosensory information develops by mid-gestation (18 to 25 weeks), however, the functional capacity of the neural circuitry is limited by the immaturity of the system. Thus, 18 to 25 weeks is considered the earliest stage at which the lower boundary of sentience could be placed. At this stage of development, however, there is little evidence for the central processing of somatosensory information. Before 30 weeks gestational age, EEG activity is extremely limited and somatosensory evoked potentials are immature, lacking components which correlate with information processing within the cerebral cortex. Thus, 30 weeks is considered a more plausible stage of fetal development at which the lower boundary for sentience could be placed."

Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14767059209161911

You'll just pretend not to see the facts as usual, won't you, weakling.
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Obviously it's that God-complex
of yours at work again. You really think you can cover up your ignorance with an
insult. How typical.
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Think this fetus has NO FEELINGS???
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See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/fetus.jpg
You fucking ignorant, uneducated hypocrite.
I've told you this before, scumbag; your stupid propaganda photo does nothing to refute the ~established fact~ that a fetus can't possibly have feelings in the first two trimesters. You've been given factual information which proves it, but were too cowardly to confront it, shitbird.
Ah, but you made no mention of any "trimester."
Ah, but I certainly did. It's in the posts you ran away from, ass. If you'd not been such a coward, you'd have seen me say that multiple times. It's not my fault you're such a chickenshit.
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You really think you can cover
up your ignorance with an insult. How typical. Was that a picture of a FETUS
or NOT? Yes or No.
Don't know, scum. Could be photo-shopped for all I know.
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Did that picture show FEELINGS? Yes or No.
No, scum. A picture can't prove anything about feelings. But this can;

"It is concluded that the basic neuronal substrate required to transmit somatosensory information develops by mid-gestation (18 to 25 weeks), however, the functional capacity of the neural circuitry is limited by the immaturity of the system. Thus, 18 to 25 weeks is considered the earliest stage at which the lower boundary of sentience could be placed. At this stage of development, however, there is little evidence for the central processing of somatosensory information. Before 30 weeks gestational age, EEG activity is extremely limited and somatosensory evoked potentials are immature, lacking components which correlate with information processing within the cerebral cortex. Thus, 30 weeks is considered a more plausible stage of fetal development at which the lower boundary for sentience could be placed."

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14767059209161911
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I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the
fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Well, you can always off yourself, if you're really determined to do your part in
solving overpopulation on this planet. Maybe you can get lizzy to join you in
the "Lemmings leap."
You mewled endlessly about how awful it was when Elizabeth told you to kill yourself. Different standards apply for ~you~, naturally. You should know that I don't give a shit and won't cry about it like you did, titty baby.
No response re; your double standards, creep? You did something you claimed to consider wrong when it was done to you. You do that all the time.
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But you're the one complaining about over-population.
Nope. One sentence in response to somebody else doesn't add up to "complaining about over-population". Have you ever seen me post about it, scum?
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I'm not doing so, so why
should it be demanded by lizzy that "I" sacrifice my life for her and your objective?
Loaded question fallacy, as usual.
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I'm simply offering you a way for "YOU" to do your part in achieving YOUR objective.
Certainly it's obscene to demand that "I" sacrifice MY LIFE for YOUR objective.
But it's reasonable to ask that you do YOUR part for YOUR OWN objective, rather
than "I" do it for you. If you intended to support on-demand abortion in the
U.S. by a carrying a sign outside of the White House with your objective written
in it, would you really expect ME to carry that sign FOR YOU???
How would me killing myself solve the problem, scum? There would still be millions being born at the same time, crud.
You can admit you said it because you're both mean-spirited and a hypocrite now, psycho.
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What were your words??? Oh, yeah... "Overpopulation is destroying the
planet." What do you intend to do about it, that doesn't involve killing others
who do not believe in your doctrine??
I have reduced my carbon footprint. Besides urging others to do the same, it's all I can do. I don't delude myself that I have the power to change anything.
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Obviously, if you're willing to demand
that OTHERS do what they can to solve what YOU consider a problem,
I'm willing to request it, in the form of reducing their carbon footprint. Have you done that, slime?
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why
don't YOU volunteer to do your part, rather than demanding it of others?
Done it and continue to do it, scum. Got anything else to whine about, vileness?
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But this is far too complicated for your tiny mind to grasp. Because it's all about
YOU, and saving your own life, while demanding that "I" sacrifice MINE and
fetuses sacrifice theirs to suit YOU, and YOUR objective.
What rank bullshit. I'm not going to die from it. I'll already be dead by the time it reaches that point.

I don't demand anybody do anything, scum. You're the fascist prick who demands women sacrifice themselves so you can feel all warm and fuzzy about forcing them to give birth, misogynist filth.

Every time you try to nail somebody else you only end up putting another nail in your own coffin, dumbass. Will you never learn?
elizabeth
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snippety doo doo
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Obvious how, scum? You're the one who bragged about it.
The scenario of men dateraping a woman and then using that to coerce her into marriage used to be quite common, and was featured in any number of novels and "true confessions" back in the days of Marilyn French and all those "consciousness raising" sessions going on in the late 60s and early 70s. Ever read Joan Collin's autobiography? Happened to her. Women were always blamed for what men did to them back in the 50s. Plenty of girls ended up in homes for unwed mothers after being raped and being told she asked for it, you'll never prove I'm the father, blahblahblah. See "Wake Up Little Suzy" for some truly heartbreaking accounts of what happened to girls in those American Magdalene gulags.
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Sorry, you sick bastard,
she's usually too old for even a rapist, unless they're as sick as you seem to be.
Thanks for confirming once again that you think rape is about sexual desire, psychopath.
It also explains why he spends so much time fantasizing about raping very young women. Probably hasn't touched her in years, and she's been putting saltpeter into his food for even longer.
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Perhaps
you should try raping your mother, which would be difficult as I hear she's always up for
"a good time," and would more likely be a volunteer.
Slurs on an innocent, uninvolved person noted and dismissed, scum. Your belief that women want rape is also noted once again.
AssNole is one depraved old creep, ain't he?
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Incidentally, are you aware that you're responding to my words but addressing somebody else?
It's hard to tell the difference between the two of you. You both have the same
methods in calling anyone who disagrees with you a "sheep fucker," or a "rapist."
Translation: "I'm a senile, crazy old fuck and I forgot who I was talking to. I don't know my ass from a teapot. Please kill me."
Who called him a sheepshagger?

snip
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Given the risks, what woman wouldn't be?
My wife.
Since you have hinted that you raped her (you euphemistically called it "bedded") so she'd be too scared to leave you, I'm guessing you don't have a ton of insight into her feelings, scum.
Hmmm. You suppose he did rape her and knock her up and then made her grovel so he'd "give the child a name" and make her suck his flabby dick until he couldn't get it up unless he raped someone? You read about people like him but it's creepy to deal with one,even just online.
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And I suspect far more women than those who ARE scared shitless about
the possibility of becoming pregnant.
That's mighty white of him.

But when someone like you hates women
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so much that he insists they must ALL be scared shitless to be pregnant it only
exposes the depths of your depravity.
How does that work, Jim? explain how it's depraved to think women might be scared of the possible consequences of pregnancy?
Yeah, as if women haven't had to deal with the reality of pregnancy for a million years or so .. . talk about misogynist, he doesn't think women KNOW JUST WHAT PREGNANCY AND CHILDBEARING IS LIKE? Can anyone be as oblivious to the obvious as AssNole?
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You have no room to talk about depravity, with the evil shit you post. You are, no exaggeration, the most depraved, twisted poster I've ever seen on alt.abortion. Worse than J Young and Heishman put together. Your seething, psychopathic malice is palpable. You're trapped in an old man's body and no longer able to physically abuse people, so you go on usenet and post reams of misogynistic, perverted filth and narcissistic drivel. Who do you think you're fooling?
That sounds like a great sig line.
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I suspect you have no children, and probably have no wife.
Bully for you.
Who gives a shit what you, I, or anybody else suspects, fool?
He truly hates people who choose their own lives.
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Since you sound like
a "mama's boy" to me.
You don't even know if I'm a boy or a girl, amateur. You assumed. Why is that?
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Does she still spank you? Do you get a woody when she
hugs you??
Wow, your twisted inner landscape is out there for all to see. Mommy issues much, psychopath?
Yeah, he's building a case that any judge could use to put him away in a safe place for his own good.
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You must be the only 60-year-old virgin in the U.S.
No wonder you have penis-envy.
Which is about as real as the wandering womb ....
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Another in your long line of disgustingly sexist statements. Why don't you try the one about
how she wants to be raped again, psycho.
But lizzy claims I couldn't want to rape her because I only want to fuck sheep or young
boys. Is she a sheep? Yes or No. Is she a young boy? Yes or No.
I never called him a sheepshagger, but little children, sure I can see the old perv doing 'em. Boys and girls. Pervs don't mind little boys because they have "feminine" bodies ... I dunno, some folks dig chicks with dicks ... takes all kinds, I suppose, but his kind really should be put somewhere away from those they can and will harm.
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Whenever you say somebody claims something, that indicates you're about to lie. Hell, whenever you put your gnarled fingers onto the keyboard to type it indicates you're about to lie.
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Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to
suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Women are SUPPOSED to be capable of having children and HAVE a maternal instinct.
Typical of you, fascist, to try to dictate to women who they should be and how they should feel. Not all women want children. Women are individuals and driven by more than just hormones, you stupid sexist wanker.
Actually it's not ME... it's NATURE that dictates what a woman should be capable of doing,
Nature doesn't make value judgements like "should", idiot. Nature only provides maternal instinct and ability to most women, but not all. What they do with it is up to them. The rational mind can rule over instinct if it is in one's interest to do so. This is what a woman's mind does every time she ignores the tug of maternal instinct and uses contraception, you pig-ignorant dullard.
Nature also bats last, and the fact is we are horribly overpopulated, and overpopulation deniers are more whacked out than flat earthers.
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and drives them to not be afraid of doing it. Who elected YOU to overrule NATURE???
You can prove that nature somehow prevents women from fearing the consequences of pregnancy? That would mean no woman has ever feared it. You're really going to run with that?
He seems to think he knows what all women think and want.
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I know you're a Bible-thumper,
Lie.
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but clearly you can't overrule EVOLUTION, unless you have
a God-complex. Do you have a God-complex? How in the world do YOU KNOW what
women want?
Where did I claim I know what women want, scum? Where did I dispute evolution, scum? Strawmen are all you have, loser. That's because you are utterly inadequate at making arguments, buffoon.
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It is sexist to claim that a man knows what ALL WOMEN WANT.
And it's stupid to use a strawman to illustrate that point, crud.
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But
unfortunately lizzy believes that if a woman is poor and Black she is genetically wired to
not have that maternal instinct.
Nope. Never said anything like that. All I did point out was his claim that "racism" caused black women to have more abortions was absurd, and that similar high rates of abortion are found in all women in poverty, because they simply lack access to effective contraception. He seems to think correlation is causation, and that his opponents have to prove the Null Hypothesis. He is what Oopsey will be like when the senility creeps in.
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Heh! You're the racist who claims black people love their kids more, asshole.
That's not genetic.
Oh, so only claims about ~genetic~ differences are racist? So if a racist told you that blacks are ___ (fill in the blank with any nasty, negative claim), it's not racist if they put it down to nurture rather than nature?
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But probably true because of the past of slavery, and now part
of a meme that motivates Blacks to be more caring of their children than Whites, but
only in the U.S., as a "legacy" of SLAVERY, and the fact that so many are poor, which
is always a factor that drives a greater nurturing toward family connectedness for
mutual support than when a family is rich.
Oh, so now poor people love their kids more. What factual info do you base that on, nut?
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Just as SLAVERY is responsible for
American Blacks being the most religiously devout group in the U.S. See --
http://www.christianpost.com/news/african-americans-most-religiously-devout-group-36736/
The reason for this is certainly not GENETIC, but a result of SLAVERY, and seeing
religion as a moral crutch to hold on to, in spite of being treated as non-persons
during that period.
It is a fact that the poor have more children than the rich.
It is a fact that those who
support abortion obviously target the poor for abortion because of that.
Bzzt! Begging the question. It's not established that anyone has been "targeted", scum.
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It is a
form of Plutocracy that drives support for on-demand abortion in the U.S., and in
doing so helps support the objectives of racists in targeting Blacks for more
abortion than Whites because they are poor, and because they do have more
children than Whites, and would have far more children than Whites if there
were no on-demand abortion.
This is seen as an obscene objective by those who support abortion
Baloney. You can't possibly know what every supporter of abortion thinks, asshat.
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because they
live in great fear of a much larger Black population,
Crock of shit. You can't possibly know that, dolt.
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which they claim will only result
in more POOR, which is a hypothesis not supported by any fact.
Really? It's not a fact that having kids you can't support contributes to being poor?
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Truth be told,
Indicates a lie is coming.
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those
who support on-demand abortion in the U.S. strongly support the level of Black
abortion rate of 36% of all abortions, and would not favor a 12.6% Black >abortion rate in line with the Black population.
And there it is.
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This is not OVERT racism,
It's not anything until you can prove it's even true, scum.
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but clearly is
a form of being satisfied with the status quo of a larger percentage of Black
to White abortions. They like it just the way it is. This has been shown over and
over with excuses here from those who support abortion that this Black abortion
rate of 36% is "irrelevant," because the Black population in the U.S. is not
decreasing as a result of it.
In other words, they like it just the way it is.
As usual, Jim Noles thinks he's a mind-reader and that his biased, loony impressions constitute fact.
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While I strongly favor a much larger Black population and believe it will REDUCE
the level of poverty among Blacks as there will be a tipping point which will result
in a greater level of education and employment opportunity because of that
large pool of eligible youth that can no longer be ignored. In any case, the
minority never suffers if it becomes less of a minority than it is.
In any case, I have never argued that there is the SLIGHTEST genetic difference between Blacks and Whites.
While lizzy has certainly implied
Bzzt! "Implied". Weasel word = you made it up.
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that the reason
Blacks abort their pregnancies more than Whites is genetic.
Quotes, scum. Prove it.
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She insists it isn't
racism, and that Blacks just like to be poor and live in the ghetto.
I'm certain that she did not post those words, scum. Provide quotes or shut your flapper.
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Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a
fetus has feelings.
Well, have you ever asked a fetus if they have feelings??
Laughable. You're a hopeless self-parody, making yourself look stupider and more shameless with each worthless post.
So the answer is NO. Yet you claim you DO KNOW.
No, I claim scientists know.
"It is concluded that the basic neuronal substrate required to transmit somatosensory information develops by mid-gestation (18 to 25 weeks), however, the functional capacity of the neural circuitry is limited by the immaturity of the system. Thus, 18 to 25 weeks is considered the earliest stage at which the lower boundary of sentience could be placed. At this stage of development, however, there is little evidence for the central processing of somatosensory information. Before 30 weeks gestational age, EEG activity is extremely limited and somatosensory evoked potentials are immature, lacking components which correlate with information processing within the cerebral cortex. Thus, 30 weeks is considered a more plausible stage of fetal development at which the lower boundary for sentience could be placed."
Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14767059209161911
You'll just pretend not to see the facts as usual, won't you, weakling.
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Obviously it's that God-complex
of yours at work again. You really think you can cover up your ignorance with an
insult. How typical.
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Think this fetus has NO FEELINGS???
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See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/fetus.jpg
You fucking ignorant, uneducated hypocrite.
I've told you this before, scumbag; your stupid propaganda photo does nothing to refute the ~established fact~ that a fetus can't possibly have feelings in the first two trimesters. You've been given factual information which proves it, but were too cowardly to confront it, shitbird.
Ah, but you made no mention of any "trimester."
Ah, but I certainly did. It's in the posts you ran away from, ass. If you'd not been such a coward, you'd have seen me say that multiple times. It's not my fault you're such a chickenshit.
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You really think you can cover
up your ignorance with an insult. How typical. Was that a picture of a FETUS
or NOT? Yes or No.
Don't know, scum. Could be photo-shopped for all I know.
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Did that picture show FEELINGS? Yes or No.
No, scum. A picture can't prove anything about feelings. But this can;
"It is concluded that the basic neuronal substrate required to transmit somatosensory information develops by mid-gestation (18 to 25 weeks), however, the functional capacity of the neural circuitry is limited by the immaturity of the system. Thus, 18 to 25 weeks is considered the earliest stage at which the lower boundary of sentience could be placed. At this stage of development, however, there is little evidence for the central processing of somatosensory information. Before 30 weeks gestational age, EEG activity is extremely limited and somatosensory evoked potentials are immature, lacking components which correlate with information processing within the cerebral cortex. Thus, 30 weeks is considered a more plausible stage of fetal development at which the lower boundary for sentience could be placed."
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14767059209161911
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I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the
fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Well, you can always off yourself, if you're really determined to do your part in
solving overpopulation on this planet. Maybe you can get lizzy to join you in
the "Lemmings leap."
You mewled endlessly about how awful it was when Elizabeth told you to kill yourself. Different standards apply for ~you~, naturally. You should know that I don't give a shit and won't cry about it like you did, titty baby.
No response re; your double standards, creep? You did something you claimed to consider wrong when it was done to you. You do that all the time.
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But you're the one complaining about over-population.
Nope. One sentence in response to somebody else doesn't add up to "complaining about over-population". Have you ever seen me post about it, scum?
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I'm not doing so, so why
should it be demanded by lizzy that "I" sacrifice my life for her and your objective?
Loaded question fallacy, as usual.
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I'm simply offering you a way for "YOU" to do your part in achieving YOUR objective.
Certainly it's obscene to demand that "I" sacrifice MY LIFE for YOUR objective.
But it's reasonable to ask that you do YOUR part for YOUR OWN objective, rather
than "I" do it for you. If you intended to support on-demand abortion in the
U.S. by a carrying a sign outside of the White House with your objective written
in it, would you really expect ME to carry that sign FOR YOU???
How would me killing myself solve the problem, scum? There would still be millions being born at the same time, crud.
You can admit you said it because you're both mean-spirited and a hypocrite now, psycho.
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What were your words??? Oh, yeah... "Overpopulation is destroying the
planet." What do you intend to do about it, that doesn't involve killing others
who do not believe in your doctrine??
I have reduced my carbon footprint. Besides urging others to do the same, it's all I can do. I don't delude myself that I have the power to change anything.
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Obviously, if you're willing to demand
that OTHERS do what they can to solve what YOU consider a problem,
I'm willing to request it, in the form of reducing their carbon footprint. Have you done that, slime?
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why
don't YOU volunteer to do your part, rather than demanding it of others?
Done it and continue to do it, scum. Got anything else to whine about, vileness?
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But this is far too complicated for your tiny mind to grasp. Because it's all about
YOU, and saving your own life, while demanding that "I" sacrifice MINE and
fetuses sacrifice theirs to suit YOU, and YOUR objective.
What rank bullshit. I'm not going to die from it. I'll already be dead by the time it reaches that point.
I don't demand anybody do anything, scum. You're the fascist prick who demands women sacrifice themselves so you can feel all warm and fuzzy about forcing them to give birth, misogynist filth.
Every time you try to nail somebody else you only end up putting another nail in your own coffin, dumbass. Will you never learn?
No, he may have been able to learn in the past, but that ended before JFK was shot, I think.
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Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital
discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there
were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a
principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast
majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts
severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman
to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy
may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the
baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are
aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most
severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity
(SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on
recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable
to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with.
If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination,
you might want to consider moving to Iran.
How many children have YOU had, lizzy? My wife had four, and the worst thing she complained
about was hemorrhoids.
Was that before or after you fucked her to keep her from dumping you? What did you do, knock her
up on purpose to make her stay? You sick, vile pig. Best to shut up about your wife given that you've bragged about doing something to her that sounds a lot like rape.
Obviously you find my wife to be a "juicy target" for you to rape.
Obvious how, scum? You're the one who bragged about it.
Obviously you're the one obsessed with her. You sick twisted sadist.
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Sorry, you sick bastard,
she's usually too old for even a rapist, unless they're as sick as you seem to be.
Thanks for confirming once again that you think rape is about sexual desire, psychopath.
Lie # 1,314. I've never said any such thing. Rape is about power, and sadistic
domination. It's what you're all about. They're never too old for a sadistic
rapist to want to dominate and overpower and brutalize. That's what you dream
about doing. You're obsessed with sex, but not in a normal way. No prude sees sex
in a normal way. They see it as dirty... and sadistic prudes need to dominate in
rape. That's you all over.
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Perhaps
you should try raping your mother, which would be difficult as I hear she's always up for
"a good time," and would more likely be a volunteer.
Slurs on an innocent, uninvolved person noted and dismissed, scum. Your belief that women want rape is also noted once again.
Just your mother, shit-for-brains. You were the one who started this by claiming
I was first "raping my wife." You're another one who thinks you can dish it out,
but find yourself unable to take it. I can well picture you fucking your mother,
because that's what she wanted, and why it turned you into such a pervert.
Obviously something must have done it, since no one is "born" a pervert. You
had to be taught how to be one. See how you like it when the insults are turned
back on YOU, fuckwit.
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Incidentally, are you aware that you're responding to my words but addressing somebody else?
It's hard to tell the difference between the two of you. You both have the same
methods in calling anyone who disagrees with you a "sheep fucker," or a "rapist."
Translation: "I'm a senile, crazy old fuck and I forgot who I was talking to. I don't know my ass from a teapot. Please kill me."
Translations from a pervert are always slanted toward sadism.
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I'll bet you're scared shitless about the possibility of becoming pregnant.
Given the risks, what woman wouldn't be?
My wife.
Since you have hinted that you raped her (you euphemistically called it "bedded") so she'd be too scared to leave you, I'm guessing you don't have a ton of insight into her feelings, scum.
Well, if that's the case, how did your mother first "bed" you?? Perhaps you're not
willing to share the gory details, but we are here for you, and letting out those
repressed sadistic emotions could be the first step to your mental recovery.
No need to hurry, but when you're ready know that we are here for you.
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And I suspect far more women than those who ARE scared shitless about
the possibility of becoming pregnant. But when someone like you hates women
so much that he insists they must ALL be scared shitless to be pregnant it only
exposes the depths of your depravity.
How does that work, Jim? explain how it's depraved to think women might be scared of the possible consequences of pregnancy?
You'd know that far better than I would. Why do you hate women??
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You have no room to talk about depravity, with the evil shit you post. You are, no exaggeration, the most depraved, twisted poster I've ever seen on alt.abortion. Worse than J Young and Heishman put together. Your seething, psychopathic malice is palpable. You're trapped in an old man's body and no longer able to physically abuse people, so you go on usenet and post reams of misogynistic, perverted filth and narcissistic drivel. Who do you think you're fooling?
Heh... Given your sadistic nature born from nurturing, I suspect your mother is
probably stroking your penis as you ramble with that comment? You certainly
seem obsessed with "perverted filth."
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I suspect you have no children, and probably have no wife.
Bully for you.
Who gives a shit what you, I, or anybody else suspects, fool?
Heh... I knew it. A "mama's boy." Until the day she dies. When you'll
probably prop her up in the attic a la Norman Bates.
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Since you sound like
a "mama's boy" to me.
You don't even know if I'm a boy or a girl, amateur. You assumed. Why is that?
I suspect you're androgynous.
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Does she still spank you? Do you get a woody when she
hugs you??
Wow, your twisted inner landscape is out there for all to see. Mommy issues much, psychopath?
So you do have Mommy issues, pervert. I thought so.
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You must be the only 60-year-old virgin in the U.S.
No wonder you have penis-envy.
Another in your long line of disgustingly sexist statements. Why don't you try the one about
how she wants to be raped again, psycho.
But lizzy claims I couldn't want to rape her because I only want to fuck sheep or young
boys. Is she a sheep? Yes or No. Is she a young boy? Yes or No.
Whenever you say somebody claims something, that indicates you're about to lie. Hell, whenever you put your gnarled fingers onto the keyboard to type it indicates you're about to lie.
Answer the question. Why are you avoiding it?? It just takes a yes or no. Rather
than an insult as a retort, while we both know that's all you have going for you.
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Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to
suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Women are SUPPOSED to be capable of having children and HAVE a maternal instinct.
Typical of you, fascist, to try to dictate to women who they should be and how they should feel. Not all >> > women want children. Women are individuals and driven by more than just hormones, you stupid
sexist wanker.
Actually it's not ME... it's NATURE that dictates what a woman should be capable of doing,
Nature doesn't make value judgements like "should", idiot.
It isn't a "value judgment," it's just what it is. It's what nature has DICTATED. You think men
were given a penis and women were given a womb to do nothing with them??? You think we
as humans had anything to do with that process? Obviously the ONLY entity capable of
making a "value judgment" is the human being.
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Nature only provides maternal instinct and ability to most women, but not all. What they do
with it is up to them. The rational mind can rule over instinct if it is in one's interest to do so.
This is what a woman's mind does every time she ignores the tug of maternal instinct and uses >contraception, you pig-ignorant dullard.
I never said that a woman can't enter a convent and be a virgin all her life, or that a man
can't enter the priesthood and "actually" be celibate the rest of his life. Those are the
VALUE JUDGMENTS... and have absolutely nothing to do with NATURE. Do try to separate
the two.
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and drives them to not be afraid of doing it. Who elected YOU to overrule NATURE???
You can prove that nature somehow prevents women from fearing the consequences of pregnancy? That >would mean no woman has ever feared it. You're really going to run with that?
Lie # 1,315. I made no such assumption.
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I know you're a Bible-thumper,
Lie.
By your very nature, and your "value judgments" you are most certainly a Bible-thumper.
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but clearly you can't overrule EVOLUTION, unless you have
a God-complex. Do you have a God-complex? How in the world do YOU KNOW what
women want?
Where did I claim I know what women want, scum? Where did I dispute evolution, scum? Strawmen are all you have, loser. That's because you are utterly inadequate at making arguments, buffoon.
Answer the question, fuckwit. Once again your methodology in answering question
is to use an insult. You're incredibly stupid. You ask questions and you expect me
to answer them, but whenever I ask you a question, all I get is an insult, and never
an answer than makes any sense whatsoever.
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It is sexist to claim that a man knows what ALL WOMEN WANT.
And it's stupid to use a strawman to illustrate that point, crud.
No proof offered. Your claim fails. So you actually believe that a man claiming
to know what ALL WOMEN WANT is not sexist. You silly boy.
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But
unfortunately lizzy believes that if a woman is poor and Black she is genetically wired to
not have that maternal instinct.
Heh! You're the racist who claims black people love their kids more, asshole.
That's not genetic.
Oh, so only claims about ~genetic~ differences are racist? So if a racist told you that blacks are ___ (fill in the blank with any nasty, negative claim), it's not racist if they put it down to nurture rather than nature?
No. I'm only claiming what I stated and nothing else. The argument that Blacks are
more nurturing that Whites is not an argument meant to imply genetics. I very
carefully explained it as follows --
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But probably true because of the past of slavery, and now part
of a meme that motivates Blacks to be more caring of their children than Whites, but
only in the U.S., as a "legacy" of SLAVERY, and the fact that so many are poor, which
is always a factor that drives a greater nurturing toward family connectedness for
mutual support than when a family is rich.
But that was probably too complicated for you.
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Oh, so now poor people love their kids more. What factual info do you base that on, nut?
The fact that the poor have more children than the rich... just as on-demand
abortion in the U.S. argues that the poor should be first to abort because they
already have too many children and any more would be "unwanted." See --
http://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/
In 2010, those earning under $10,000 a year in the U.S. had a fertility rate of
98.3 per 1,000 women, compared to those earning $75,000 a year or more in
the U.S. having a fertility rate of 54.8 per 1,000 women. Almost half the fertility
rate of the poorest class of our citizens.

Unlike you, I try to use FACTS when I state FACTS, rather than opinions, which
you claim automatically become FACTS when they are your opinions.
Bet you didn't see that coming.
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Just as SLAVERY is responsible for
American Blacks being the most religiously devout group in the U.S. See --
http://www.christianpost.com/news/african-americans-most-religiously-devout-group-36736/
The reason for this is certainly not GENETIC, but a result of SLAVERY, and seeing
religion as a moral crutch to hold on to, in spite of being treated as non-persons
during that period.
It is a fact that the poor have more children than the rich.
Yes, it certainly is.
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It is a fact that those who
support abortion obviously target the poor for abortion because of that.
Bzzt! Begging the question. It's not established that anyone has been "targeted", scum.
Oh, yes it has. All one has to do is look at the on-demand abortion rates to
see that the poor are most certainly targeted for abortion. Didn't I mention
that Blacks are the poorest segment of our nation? Didn't I mention that
Blacks have a 36% abortion rate while only have a population density of
12.6%? Is that too complicated for you to grasp. This isn't correlation...
it is simply causation Those who support abortion readily admit that the
poor have children who are "unwanted," and that not having further children
with on-demand abortion should be supported unconditionally.
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It is a
form of Plutocracy that drives support for on-demand abortion in the U.S., and in
doing so helps support the objectives of racists in targeting Blacks for more
abortion than Whites because they are poor, and because they do have more
children than Whites, and would have far more children than Whites if there
were no on-demand abortion.
This is seen as an obscene objective by those who support abortion
Baloney. You can't possibly know what every supporter of abortion thinks, asshat.
I've seen enough here to know what a survey of a majority of those who support
on-demand abortion would favor. You seem to claim you are qualified to know
what every opponent of on-demand abortion thinks. But then you claim to have
a God-complex, while I'm just a lowly human.
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because they live in great fear of a much larger Black population,
Crock of shit. You can't possibly know that, dolt.
So why do they always whine that there are enough Blacks in the U.S. which
they claim makes the issue of a 36% Black abortion rate "irrelevant"? In fact,
don't YOU insist it is "irrelevant"??
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which they claim will only result
in more POOR, which is a hypothesis not supported by any fact.
Really? It's not a fact that having kids you can't support contributes to being poor?
See what I mean? You insist that poor Blacks should be FIRST in line for
on-demand abortion. You target the most vulnerable for those abortions.
Why don't you ever claim that more rich Whites should demand abortions?
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Truth be told,
Indicates a lie is coming.
Your Lie # 1,316.
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those
who support on-demand abortion in the U.S. strongly support the level of Black
abortion rate of 36% of all abortions, and would not favor a 12.6% Black abortion
rate in line with the Black population.
And there it is.
But you just did exactly as I stated. You said "having kids you can't support
contributes to being poor." You framed it as a fallacy of presupposition, but
that was YOUR claim.
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This is not OVERT racism,
It's not anything until you can prove it's even true, scum.
All I have to do is hold that opinion, shit-for-brains. You keep forgetting the
1st Amendment. But then that's a common failing among those who support
abortion. It's called the "abortion fascist syndrome."
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but clearly is
a form of being satisfied with the status quo of a larger percentage of Black
to White abortions. They like it just the way it is. This has been shown over and
over with excuses here from those who support abortion that this Black abortion
rate of 36% is "irrelevant," because the Black population in the U.S. is not
decreasing as a result of it.
In other words, they like it just the way it is.
As usual, Jim Noles thinks he's a mind-reader and that his biased, loony impressions constitute fact.
Well... don't you like it just the way it is??? If not, what would you change about
on-demand abortion in the U.S.????

<I suspect that this question will be met with either deathly silence or an obscene
sadistic insult claiming I've raped my wife or something on that order>
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While I strongly favor a much larger Black population and believe it will REDUCE
the level of poverty among Blacks as there will be a tipping point which will result
in a greater level of education and employment opportunity because of that
large pool of eligible youth that can no longer be ignored. In any case, the
minority never suffers if it becomes less of a minority than it is.
In any case, I have never argued that there is the SLIGHTEST genetic difference
between Blacks and Whites.
While lizzy has certainly implied
Bzzt! "Implied". Weasel word = you made it up.
Bullshit. She has very clearly argued that racism has nothing to do with that high
abortion rate among Blacks. You've agreed with that assessment. So obviously
you both claim it is either caused by magic or genetics. I've been rather kind and
feel you and her mean genetics rather than magic. But I'm willing to listen to
your arguments in support of magic being responsible for that high Black abortion
rate. You can enter such arguments right here and now --
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that the reason
Blacks abort their pregnancies more than Whites is genetic.
Quotes, scum. Prove it.
See above. And right after you provide a quote from me in which I've stated
that I raped my wife. BTW -- has your mother had that torn vagina of hers repaired.
It took a nasty cut when you ripped it in your rage at her. See how YOU like it,
sucker.
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She insists it isn't
racism, and that Blacks just like to be poor and live in the ghetto.
I'm certain that she did not post those words, scum. Provide quotes or shut your flapper.
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Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a
fetus has feelings.
Well, have you ever asked a fetus if they have feelings??
Laughable. You're a hopeless self-parody, making yourself look stupider and more shameless with each worthless post.
So the answer is NO. Yet you claim you DO KNOW.
No, I claim scientists know.
"It is concluded that the basic neuronal substrate required to transmit somatosensory information develops by mid-gestation (18 to 25 weeks), however, the functional capacity of the neural circuitry is limited by the immaturity of the system. Thus, 18 to 25 weeks is considered the earliest stage at which the lower boundary of sentience could be placed. At this stage of development, however, there is little evidence for the central processing of somatosensory information. Before 30 weeks gestational age, EEG activity is extremely limited and somatosensory evoked potentials are immature, lacking components which correlate with information processing within the cerebral cortex. Thus, 30 weeks is considered a more plausible stage of fetal development at which the lower boundary for sentience could be placed."
Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14767059209161911
Pictures are worth a thousand words -- See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/fetus.jpg
That's a FETUS. Think it has no FEELINGS???
That picture was made to MAKE A POINT that refutes all that rubbish that you
squeal about a fetus not having feelings.
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You'll just pretend not to see the facts as usual, won't you, weakling.
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Obviously it's that God-complex
of yours at work again. You really think you can cover up your ignorance with an
insult. How typical.
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Think this fetus has NO FEELINGS???
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See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/fetus.jpg
You fucking ignorant, uneducated hypocrite.
I've told you this before, scumbag; your stupid propaganda photo does nothing to refute the
~established fact~ that a fetus can't possibly have feelings in the first two trimesters. You've
been given factual information which proves it, but were too cowardly to confront it, shitbird.
Ah, but you made no mention of any "trimester."
Ah, but I certainly did. It's in the posts you ran away from, ass. If you'd not been such a coward, you'd have seen me say that multiple times. It's not my fault you're such a chickenshit.
Your lie # 1,317.
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You really think you can cover
up your ignorance with an insult. How typical. Was that a picture of a FETUS
or NOT? Yes or No.
Don't know, scum. Could be photo-shopped for all I know.
Just as your reference could be forged by a pro abortion fascist activist like you,
but HTML qualified.
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Did that picture show FEELINGS? Yes or No.
No, scum. A picture can't prove anything about feelings. But this can;
"It is concluded that the basic neuronal substrate required to transmit somatosensory information develops by mid-gestation (18 to 25 weeks), however, the functional capacity of the neural circuitry is limited by the immaturity of the system. Thus, 18 to 25 weeks is considered the earliest stage at which the lower boundary of sentience could be placed. At this stage of development, however, there is little evidence for the central processing of somatosensory information. Before 30 weeks gestational age, EEG activity is extremely limited and somatosensory evoked potentials are immature, lacking components which correlate with information processing within the cerebral cortex. Thus, 30 weeks is considered a more plausible stage of fetal development at which the lower boundary for sentience could be placed."
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14767059209161911
Ah... a forgery. Nor does it PROVE anything.
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I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the
fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Well, you can always off yourself, if you're really determined to do your part in
solving overpopulation on this planet. Maybe you can get lizzy to join you in
the "Lemmings leap."
You mewled endlessly about how awful it was when Elizabeth told you to kill yourself. Different
standards apply for ~you~, naturally. You should know that I don't give a shit and won't cry about
it like you did, titty baby.
No response re; your double standards, creep? You did something you claimed to consider wrong when it was done to you. You do that all the time.
Your lie # 1,318. I actually offered a long response which still exists below, which
you've responded to with some sadistic ravings. Here was my response in total --

=====================
But you're the one complaining about over-population. I'm not doing so, so why
should it be demanded by lizzy that "I" sacrifice my life for her and your objective?
I'm simply offering you a way for "YOU" to do your part in achieving YOUR objective.
Certainly it's obscene to demand that "I" sacrifice MY LIFE for YOUR objective.
But it's reasonable to ask that you do YOUR part for YOUR OWN objective, rather
than "I" do it for you. If you intended to support on-demand abortion in the
U.S. by a carrying a sign outside of the White House with your objective written
in it, would you really expect ME to carry that sign FOR YOU???

What were your words??? Oh, yeah... "Overpopulation is destroying the
planet." What do you intend to do about it, that doesn't involve killing others
who do not believe in your doctrine?? Obviously, if you're willing to demand
that OTHERS do what they can to solve what YOU consider a problem, why
don't YOU volunteer to do your part, rather than demanding it of others?

But this is far too complicated for your tiny mind to grasp. Because it's all about
YOU, and saving your own life, while demanding that "I" sacrifice MINE and
fetuses sacrifice theirs to suit YOU, and YOUR objective.
=======================
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
But you're the one complaining about over-population.
Nope. One sentence in response to somebody else doesn't add up to "complaining about over-population". Have you ever seen me post about it, scum?
You sucking one cock provides ammunition to call you a cocksucker.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
I'm not doing so, so why
should it be demanded by lizzy that "I" sacrifice my life for her and your objective?
Loaded question fallacy, as usual.
No proof offered. Your claim fails (again!!)
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
I'm simply offering you a way for "YOU" to do your part in achieving YOUR objective.
Certainly it's obscene to demand that "I" sacrifice MY LIFE for YOUR objective.
But it's reasonable to ask that you do YOUR part for YOUR OWN objective, rather
than "I" do it for you. If you intended to support on-demand abortion in the
U.S. by a carrying a sign outside of the White House with your objective written
in it, would you really expect ME to carry that sign FOR YOU???
How would me killing myself solve the problem, scum? There would still be millions being born at the same time, crud.
It won't SOLVE the problem. But it will show your willingness to DO YOUR PART to
solve the problem. No one is capable of solving a problem of such scope all by
himself. Those who want to help solve the problem need YOU to set an example
for them.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
You can admit you said it because you're both mean-spirited and a hypocrite now, psycho.
Heh... that from the sadistic prudish pervert of alt.abortion.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
What were your words??? Oh, yeah... "Overpopulation is destroying the
planet." What do you intend to do about it, that doesn't involve killing others
who do not believe in your doctrine??
I have reduced my carbon footprint. Besides urging others to do the same, it's all I can do. I don't delude myself that I have the power to change anything.
Obviously it's not ALL you can do.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Obviously, if you're willing to demand
that OTHERS do what they can to solve what YOU consider a problem,
I'm willing to request it, in the form of reducing their carbon footprint. Have you done that, slime?
I'm not concerned about it. Just as I'm not concerned about pixies invading
our planet. Nor do I see on-demand abortion in the U.S. having the slightest
to do with overpopulation in the U.S. Why in the world should Americans
carry any burden of reducing the world population when our nation could
easily thrive with double her present population, which would force some
very positive changes to take place on the political and social scene in the
U.S.?? As it is now, the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. While
those who support abortion believe that exterminating the poor will solve
that problem, yet in reality it will only mean the rich get even richer, and
the poor become even a more marginalized segment of our society. While
racists will rub their hands with glee, because Blacks will continue to
abort at a much higher rate than their population would expect.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
why
don't YOU volunteer to do your part, rather than demanding it of others?
Done it and continue to do it, scum. Got anything else to whine about, vileness?
No, you haven't REALLY volunteered. Just as you haven't volunteered for any
on-demand abortion in the U.S., while you keep insisting others should do what
you say.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
But this is far too complicated for your tiny mind to grasp. Because it's all about
YOU, and saving your own life, while demanding that "I" sacrifice MINE and
fetuses sacrifice theirs to suit YOU, and YOUR objective.
What rank bullshit. I'm not going to die from it. I'll already be dead by the time it reaches that point.
So you don't really consider it your concern after all. I'll probably be dead long
before you (in case you don't know it, I'll be 83 on 1 Feb 2015). But I still concern
myself with the future of my country, and feel on-demand abortion is a deep wound
in our moral conscience, at a time when our moral conscience needs all the help
it can muster, ever since Vietnam.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
I don't demand anybody do anything, scum.
Sure you do, chum.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
You're the fascist prick who demands women sacrifice themselves so you can feel all
warm and fuzzy about forcing them to give birth, misogynist filth.
Go kiss your mother's fuzzy pussy again, you twisted freak.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Every time you try to nail somebody else you only end up putting another nail in
your own coffin, dumbass. Will you never learn?
So, you yellow-eyed, bloodsucking, cornucopia of lies, forgeries,
racism and Nazism; you belly-of-the-beast-dwelling, hater of Jews,
hater of Blacks, hater of Americans, hater of humanity, Nazi-loving,
misogynistic, xenophobic, narcissist, Holocaust-denying, homicidal
maniac - may the ghost of every aborted fetus of the past rise up
from their grave, as grim specters... naked and twisted, with broken
and brutally savaged bodies, rise from their graves, hollowed eyes
ablaze in fire, thundering their demand for your apology. Thundering
their rage that you would DARE find them all to be "unwanted children."
Thundering their fury that you would support the elimination of all
Black American fetuses. Your words are the FINAL insult you offer
to them. A final spit from you upon their graves. May you never
find a single night of rest for the remainder of your life. That's the curse
for just being who you are; and the fact that you are even living.

But best wishes for your recovery.


Planet Visitor II
W.T.S.
2014-11-02 06:45:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Planet Visitor II
So, you yellow-eyed, bloodsucking, cornucopia of lies, forgeries,
racism and Nazism; you belly-of-the-beast-dwelling, hater of Jews,
hater of Blacks, hater of Americans, hater of humanity, Nazi-loving,
misogynistic, xenophobic, narcissist, Holocaust-denying, homicidal
maniac - may the ghost of every aborted fetus of the past rise up
from their grave, as grim specters... naked and twisted, with broken
and brutally savaged bodies, rise from their graves, hollowed eyes
ablaze in fire, thundering their demand for your apology. Thundering
their rage that you would DARE find them all to be "unwanted
children." Thundering their fury that you would support the
elimination of all Black American fetuses. Your words are the FINAL
insult you offer to them. A final spit from you upon their graves.
May you never find a single night of rest for the remainder of your
life. That's the curse for just being who you are; and the fact that
you are even living.
I think that just about sums up the sickness and degeneracy of your
mind, PV. Please get back on your medication before you hurt yourself.
PV, you are a very, very sick man. You are clearly not rational.
Ladies and gentlemen of the Usenet, above you can see the inner workings
of PV, a truly ill poster who needs serious treatment in a mental
hospital. His unstable mind has become worse and worse over the past few
weeks. If you know him, urge him to seek treatment and to stay on his
medications at all time. If he doesn't get help soon, his rambling,
lunatic posts will become worse and worse until they make no sense at all.
Post by Planet Visitor II
But best wishes for my recovery.
First you need to start treatment, PV.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Planetary Vomit.
http://www.imnotsorry.net

http://www.plannedparenthood.org

Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats.
Motto of PV.
c***@comcast.net
2014-10-31 04:48:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a fetus has feelings.
Post by elizabeth
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Post by elizabeth
People that sick and twisted cannot be changed, cannot be "cured" of their insane assholery, and they know the world would be a better place if they weren't in it, so that is why they seem to want to get so much hate generated. It's kind of like a "blue suicide," they want someone else to kill them for them!
You judge others and yet you associate with a woman who thinks some women should be gang raped slowly and to death....and you think you shouldn't be judged by your associations?

Do you too, also support the idea that some women should be gang raped slowly and to death as Elizabeth has said?
elizabeth
2014-10-31 04:55:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a fetus has feelings.
Post by elizabeth
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Post by elizabeth
People that sick and twisted cannot be changed, cannot be "cured" of their insane assholery, and they know the world would be a better place if they weren't in it, so that is why they seem to want to get so much hate generated. It's kind of like a "blue suicide," they want someone else to kill them for them!
Nobody's "associating" with anyone in here.
Post by c***@comcast.net
You judge others and yet you associate with a woman who thinks some women should be gang raped slowly and to death....and you think you shouldn't be judged by your associations?
Nope, because we don't associate, we post in the same ng. And the women who cause other women to be raped and suffer should get back what they put out.

You still can't handle Lex Talonis, can you?

And you couldn't honor your promise to leave the ng forever.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you too, also support the idea that some women should be gang raped slowly and to death as Elizabeth has said?
Why should he agree with it? It's how I feel. And had nothing to do with overpopulation.

Can you say relevance? I knew you couldn't.
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-10-31 06:07:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that women are supposed to suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed. They actually believe a fetus has feelings.
Post by elizabeth
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial of overpopulation and the fact that we simply can't take care of everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Post by elizabeth
People that sick and twisted cannot be changed, cannot be "cured" of their insane assholery, and they know the world would be a better place if they weren't in it, so that is why they seem to want to get so much hate generated. It's kind of like a "blue suicide," they want someone else to kill them for them!
You judge others
What do you refer to?
Post by c***@comcast.net
and yet you associate with
You mean I post to her. If that's an association, you have one too.
Post by c***@comcast.net
a woman who thinks some women should be gang raped slowly and to death....and you think you shouldn't be judged by your associations?
Guilt by association fallacy noted. It's doubly fallacious when you consider that by your standards I'm also "associated" with you, idiot. I'm associated with anyone I post to, according to you.
In actuality, I don't associate with anyone on usenet. I've never even spoken to anybody here privately. I guess if your life revolves around the internet, you consider posting to people an "association".
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you too, also support the idea that some women should be gang raped slowly and to death as Elizabeth has said?
Of course not. I don't support a lot of your ideas, either. Yet I still post to you. Is that wrong, in your view?
W.T.S.
2014-10-31 11:30:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays
recorded
in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in
2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal
hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or
secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the
vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating
condition."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and
annoyin
g discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses.
Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms
are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include
physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or
the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by
being pregnant."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions
that
result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect
on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy,
generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more
than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent
trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcom
pli
cations.htm
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health
risk w
hich is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of
morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire
to live in a free society where women have the right to
self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that
wom
en are supposed to suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed.
They a
ctually believe a fetus has feelings.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial
of ov
erpopulation and the fact that we simply can't take care of everyone
here already, and they demand gestation.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Post by elizabeth
People that sick and twisted cannot be changed, cannot be "cured"
of th
eir insane assholery, and they know the world would be a better place
if they weren't in it, so that is why they seem to want to get so much
hate generated. It's kind of like a "blue suicide," they want someone
else to kill them for them!
You judge others and yet you associate with a woman who thinks some
women should be gang raped slowly and to death....and you think you
shouldn't be judged by your associations?
Do you too, also support the idea that some women should be gang raped
slowly and to death as Elizabeth has said?
No. I feel they should be covered in honey and licked to death by ten
thousand kittens.

http://www.imnotsorry.net

http://www.plannedparenthood.com

Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats.
Pro-lie advocates motto.
elizabeth
2014-11-01 00:44:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by W.T.S.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays
recorded
in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in
2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal
hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or
secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the
vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating
condition."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and
annoyin
g discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses.
Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms
are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include
physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or
the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by
being pregnant."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions
that
result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect
on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy,
generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more
than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent
trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcom
pli
cations.htm
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health
risk w
hich is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of
morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire
to live in a free society where women have the right to
self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe that
wom
en are supposed to suffer, and they get off on the woman's suffering.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed.
They a
ctually believe a fetus has feelings.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by elizabeth
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total denial
of ov
erpopulation and the fact that we simply can't take care of everyone
here already, and they demand gestation.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
Post by elizabeth
People that sick and twisted cannot be changed, cannot be "cured"
of th
eir insane assholery, and they know the world would be a better place
if they weren't in it, so that is why they seem to want to get so much
hate generated. It's kind of like a "blue suicide," they want someone
else to kill them for them!
You judge others and yet you associate with a woman who thinks some
women should be gang raped slowly and to death....and you think you
shouldn't be judged by your associations?
Do you too, also support the idea that some women should be gang raped
slowly and to death as Elizabeth has said?
No. I feel they should be covered in honey and licked to death by ten
thousand kittens.
OOOH .. .that sounds like what's happening to Dolores Umbridge in Azkhazan ... but kittens don't much like honey. So licked to death by cute little bear cubs?
Post by W.T.S.
http://www.imnotsorry.net
http://www.plannedparenthood.com
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats.
Pro-lie advocates motto.
W.T.S.
2014-11-01 01:12:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by elizabeth
Post by W.T.S.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
On Monday, October 27, 2014 8:19:58 PM UTC-7,
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays
recorded
in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years
in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery
maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal
or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008,
the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating
condition."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and
annoyin
g discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses.
Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which
symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy
may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health
of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can
be made worse by being pregnant."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic
conditions that
result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse
effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of
pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity
(SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every
year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily
increasing."
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/preg
com pli
cations.htm
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health
risk w
hich is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion
of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not
desire to live in a free society where women have the right to
self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Come on now, antiabortniks are essentially rapists who believe
that wom
en are supposed to suffer, and they get off on the woman's
suffering.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Some of them, yeah. But some others are just naive and uninformed.
They a
ctually believe a fetus has feelings.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
I think it's because they know their own mothers should have aborted.
What's really sickening about antiabortniks is their total
denial of ov
erpopulation and the fact that we simply can't take care of
everyone here already, and they demand gestation.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Agreed. Overpopulation is destroying the planet.
People that sick and twisted cannot be changed, cannot be
"cured" of th
eir insane assholery, and they know the world would be a better
place if they weren't in it, so that is why they seem to want to
get so much hate generated. It's kind of like a "blue suicide,"
they want someone else to kill them for them!
You judge others and yet you associate with a woman who thinks some
women should be gang raped slowly and to death....and you think you
shouldn't be judged by your associations?
Do you too, also support the idea that some women should be gang
raped slowly and to death as Elizabeth has said?
No. I feel they should be covered in honey and licked to death by
ten thousand kittens.
OOOH .. .that sounds like what's happening to Dolores Umbridge in
Azkhazan ... but kittens don't much like honey. So licked to death by
cute little bear cubs?
Sounds good to me! One thousand little bear cubs should do the trick.
Post by elizabeth
Post by W.T.S.
http://www.imnotsorry.net
http://www.plannedparenthood.com
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats.
Pro-lie advocates motto.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-01 05:04:48 UTC
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<clipped>
Post by W.T.S.
Post by elizabeth
OOOH .. .that sounds like what's happening to Dolores Umbridge in
Azkhazan ... but kittens don't much like honey. So licked to death by
cute little bear cubs?
Sounds good to me! One thousand little bear cubs should do the trick.
The two of you need to get a room. You could dress up as Goebbels and
she could dress up as a Nazi SS dominatrix.

Planet Visitor II <destroyer of Nazi and racist fuckwits>
elizabeth
2014-11-01 12:20:46 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:12:08 -0500, "W.T.S." \
Oh,but you and your toyboy Heishman already booked the room and won't leave ...
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-02 18:20:03 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:12:08 -0500, "W.T.S." \
<clip lizzy, the vulgar, sadistic, creepy, and bloodthirsty baby murderer, obsessing over
Jim Noles>

Oops... nothing left.

Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
yellow-eyed, sagging jowl, Holocaust denying loser.



Planet Visitor II
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-01 05:04:51 UTC
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<clipped>
Post by elizabeth
Post by W.T.S.
No. I feel they should be covered in honey and licked to death by ten
thousand kittens.
OOOH .. .that sounds like what's happening to Dolores Umbridge in Azkhazan ...
but kittens don't much like honey. So licked to death by cute little bear cubs?
The two of you need to get a room. He could dress up as Goebbels and
you could dress up as a Nazi SS dominatrix.

Planet Visitor II
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-11-01 06:23:01 UTC
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Post by Planet Visitor II
<clipped>
Post by elizabeth
Post by W.T.S.
No. I feel they should be covered in honey and licked to death by ten
thousand kittens.
OOOH .. .that sounds like what's happening to Dolores Umbridge in Azkhazan ...
but kittens don't much like honey. So licked to death by cute little bear cubs?
The two of you need to get a room. He could dress up as Goebbels and
you could dress up as a Nazi SS dominatrix.
More twisted BDSM fantasies from our resident perv.
elizabeth
2014-11-01 21:51:52 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
<clipped>
Post by elizabeth
Post by W.T.S.
No. I feel they should be covered in honey and licked to death by ten
thousand kittens.
OOOH .. .that sounds like what's happening to Dolores Umbridge in Azkhazan ...
but kittens don't much like honey. So licked to death by cute little bear cubs?
The two of you need to get a room. He could dress up as Goebbels and
you could dress up as a Nazi SS dominatrix.
More twisted BDSM fantasies from our resident perv.
Yeah, doesn't he know that the Miranda Warning applies to the shit he puts online? He'd best have his new boytoy Heishman show him how to delete posts!
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-02 18:19:55 UTC
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<clip lizzy, the vulgar, sadistic, creepy, and bloodthirsty baby murderer, obsessing over
Jim Noles>

Oops... nothing left.

Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
yellow-eyed, sagging jowl, Holocaust denying loser.


Planet Visitor II
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-02 18:20:39 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
<clipped>
Post by elizabeth
Post by W.T.S.
No. I feel they should be covered in honey and licked to death by ten
thousand kittens.
OOOH .. .that sounds like what's happening to Dolores Umbridge in Azkhazan ...
but kittens don't much like honey. So licked to death by cute little bear cubs?
The two of you need to get a room. He could dress up as Goebbels and
you could dress up as a Nazi SS dominatrix.
More twisted BDSM fantasies from our resident perv.
Having nothing but vile thoughts of sex being dirty, lefty the Nazi,thus naturally
assumes that everyone _else_ has vile thoughts of sex being dirty. That's
the definition of a real pervert.

But wait for it, gentle reader... soon Lefty 'Nazi' the prude, will begin calling
himself "Mother Teresa," as the more he insists he is offended by sadistic
sex, the more he wishes to be part of it. Come on, Nazi Lefty... you KNOW
you want to do it. Give us a sadistic war "whomp...whomp... whomp," as
your true nature comes out in your fantasy of wearing a Himmler costume,
with that big SS Death's Head swastika representing your suppressed wish
that you could have been part of the Holocaust gang of Nazis, while shoving
millions of fetuses into the gas chamber along with the Jews. After all.. they're
both "non-persons" according to your deathie beliefs. What a sick childhood
you must have had. How I pity you.

Now wipe the spittle from your mouth, lefty.


Planet Visitor II

**************************************
* Don't live in a town where there *
* are any Jews or Blacks *
* (Lefty the Nazi family proverb) *
**************************************
c***@comcast.net
2014-10-29 05:00:10 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...

I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.

Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.

So answer me this.

What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?

Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?

What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?

What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?


Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.

Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?

Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?

Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.

I'm sure you'll have many baseless claims to throw out in order to divert attention away from this. As this is your M.O.
elizabeth
2014-10-29 06:31:23 UTC
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On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:00:11 PM UTC-7, ***@comcast.net wrote:

You promised you would leave the ng forever, Robert "J" Heishman.

How can we miss you if you won't go away?

Kill yourself, Heishman.

Still waiting for you to prove ANY of your assertions about my Hx.
W.T.S.
2014-10-29 22:21:10 UTC
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Well, to entertain myself a bit. Knowing me the way you do, you know I
will make baseless claims and assumptions. You also know I love
playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice".
Those people outside of women's clinics that shout vile insults at the
patients at the worst moment of their lives??? Do they count???
I think most
people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to
make any legal choice they wish too.
And abortion is both legal, normal, and decent.
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose
choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other
criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also
after they have been drinking.
And, abortion is normal, legal, desirable, and decent.
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
Yes, that is the truth. Children eventually kill the mother, either at
birth or from the after effects of child birth. Childbirth is filth.
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting,
because if they don't...they could have serious health complications
or die?
Yes! Do you have a problem with that?
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put
up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Sure works for me! And the sooner the better.
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force
women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these
complications?
Yes, yes, yes!!!
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do
you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are
concerned, right?
They should be aborted, even if they don't want to abort.
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
The nice people with the lie rag web sites.
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants
to force women to give birth?
Yes!!! Are you that stupid?
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
Yes.
Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.
Bring them on, butt hole.
I'm sure I'll have many baseless claims to throw out in order to
divert attention away from this, as this is my M.O.
http://www.imnotsorry.net

http://www.plannedparenthood.org

Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats.
Pro-liar, forced-birther motto.
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-10-30 23:06:15 UTC
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene. Didn't you say you were done with me, over and over, didn't want to talk to me, etc.?
Post by c***@comcast.net
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
If you ~do~ fully support the right to make that choice, why did you respond to a post directed at those who don't?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking
Duly noted. So?
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
I expect a defensive response from anti-choicers. Since you claim not to be an anti-choicer, why are you getting defensive?

Funny how you talk about facts as if they were something disreputable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
If anything, we should inform them that there are ~risks~. Most women, if not all, know this already. Whether they choose to accept and take the risk should always be up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
If anything, campaign for choice. Don't "push" ~anything~. Let women decide for themselves if the risk is worth the reward. Get it?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
No, we should promote freedom of choice. You're just posing asinine questions because, as usual, you have no argument.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
That's insane, but considering the source I guess it's just business as usual.
Women, and only women, should get to decide if they wish to accept and take those risks. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
So let me get this straight. Unless I help every single pregnant woman I've ever met in some way, I have no right to post facts about the risks of pregnancy?
Logic has never been your friend.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
People who oppose the freedom of others to make reproductive choices, choices which include abortion.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You can ~personally~ oppose it by choosing not to do it yourself and still support the right of others to do it. But you're a dude, Bob. So "opposing the choice to abort" means you want to tell others what to do with their bodies. It's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.
Ooh, I'm all a-tingle with anticipation. What happened to your previous insistence that you weren't interested in talking to me?
Post by c***@comcast.net
I'm sure you'll have many baseless claims to throw out in order to divert attention away from this. As this is your M.O.
I'm sure that you'll have other lies, in addition to the above, to fling about, in the desperate hope that you can bully somebody, anybody.

So now that you are apparently interested in talking to me again, let's chat. How's life treating ya these days, Bob? Are you any further in your weight loss journey?
Planet Visitor II
2014-10-31 04:03:34 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe,
sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which
symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental
conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be
made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by
pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy,
generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United
States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially
not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in
a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to
Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene.
Please don't claim you're going to rape Elizabeth again... Have you grown tired of raping
little boys??


Planet Visitor II
elizabeth
2014-10-31 04:51:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe,
sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which
symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental
conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be
made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by
pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy,
generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United
States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially
not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in
a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to
Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene.
Please don't claim you're going to rape Elizabeth again... Have you grown tired of raping
little boys??
Planet Visitor II
You're the only one who posts about raping people, AssNole.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-01 02:46:43 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:51:47 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<clip lizzy, the vulgar, sadistic, creepy, and bloodthirsty baby murderer, obsessing over
Jim Noles>

Oops... nothing left.

Seek help, you sleazy, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth, yellow-eyed, sagging jowl loser.


Planet Visitor II
elizabeth
2014-11-01 12:26:54 UTC
Permalink
On Friday, October 31, 2014 7:47:08 PM UTC-7, Planet Visitor II wrote:

More proof AssNole's mother should have stuck a rusty coat hanger up her cooter while fucking pit bulls in gas station restrooms. She would have prevented decades of misery promulgated by this sick old pervert.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-02 18:20:07 UTC
Permalink
<clip lizzy, the vulgar, sadistic, creepy, and bloodthirsty baby murderer, obsessing over
Jim Noles>

Oops... nothing left.

Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
yellow-eyed, sagging jowl, Holocaust denying loser.



Planet Visitor II
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-10-31 05:32:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe,
sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which
symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental
conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be
made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by
pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy,
generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United
States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially
not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in
a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to
Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene.
Please don't claim you're going to rape Elizabeth again
1st lie.
Post by Planet Visitor II
...Have you grown tired of raping little boys??
Second lie.

Are you talking to me again after running away, tail tucked between your shrivelled chicken legs, coward? Then answer the many posts you evaded, weakling. You know, the ones where I responded to your statements that women "incite" sexual harassment and that as part of "men's liberation", men should abuse women. Nothing to say for yourself about that, psychopath?

Funny how you whined that being accused of pedophilia was such a terrible act, and here you are doing it. Since I know that ~everything~ you complain about others doing is something you do yourself, this is entirely predictable. You have the morals of a meth cooker and the personality of a cockroach.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-01 02:46:52 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks
to a juicier target appearing on the scene.
Please don't claim you're going to rape Elizabeth again
1st lie.
I'm just relating your attraction to a "juicier target," since you are obsessed with sex.
"Juicy targets," have a very clear meaning when used by rapists.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
...Have you grown tired of raping little boys??
Second lie.
It's either one or the other that you're "targeting," el sicko. Or do you still believe
men are "juicier targets" than women to sexually assault?

<clip lefty the prude obscene insults and sexual suggestions meant to deny the truth>

Oops... nothing left.


Planet Visitor II
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-11-01 04:15:00 UTC
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Post by Planet Visitor II
<clipped>
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks
to a juicier target appearing on the scene.
Please don't claim you're going to rape Elizabeth again
1st lie.
I'm just relating your attraction to a "juicier target," since you are obsessed with sex.
1st lie. Previously you claimed I'm not into sex. Which lie are you going to go with, dumbass?
Post by Planet Visitor II
"Juicy targets," have a very clear meaning when used by rapists.
Do you think I'm going to rape you, Jim? I was talking about you, as a target for insults. But Bob got juicy again, so you're yesterday's news. Try to cope.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
...Have you grown tired of raping little boys??
Second lie.
It's either one or the other that you're "targeting," el sicko.
False dichotomy noted, Captain Illogic. I target deserving ~individuals~ for insults. I don't care what gender they are.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Or do you still believe
men are "juicier targets" than women to sexually assault?
Loaded question fallacy noted, Captain Illogic. Do you still wear your mom's panties?
Post by Planet Visitor II
<clip lefty the prude (L) obscene insults and sexual suggestions (L) meant to deny the truth (L)>
(L) indicates lie.

Context snipping cowardice noted, scum.
What sexual suggestions, scum?
So now I'm a prude again, rather than sex-obsessed? Can't make up your mind, huh. Senility set in, old fella?
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Oops... nothing left.
Deletions of context are a staple of your usenet diet, chickenheart. Go brag about raping your wife in a bar or something to get your frustrations about your inadequacy out, freak. Or better yet, give her the care she needs instead of spending 18/7 being a greasy old pervert and a vicious, dishonest asshole on usenet.
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2014-11-01 17:15:13 UTC
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You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks
to a juicier target appearing on the scene.
Please don't claim you're going to rape Elizabeth again
1st lie.
I'm just relating your attraction to a "juicier target," since you are obsessed with sex.
1st lie. Previously you claimed I'm not into sex. Which lie are you going to go with, dumbass?
No proof offered. Your claim fails. You've always been obsessed with sex. Prudes
always are. Your very first entrance in defending that sadistic lunatic lizzy was to show
your obsession with sex. Just because you find it "dirty" doesn't mean it holds no
personal attraction for you.

I suspect that a lot of it has to do with your nurturing, in answering the question of why
you want to degrade and humility women, by defending a female sadist like lizzy. It's part
of your sadistic nature. You enjoy the humiliation... defiling the innocent carries an inner
attraction for you. Make women scared of sex... because you think it's dirty. You probably
didn't have a happy childhood, and never developed any meaningful relationship with any
woman, so you feel why should any woman develop any meaningful relationship with a man.
It's seeking revenge on your part. The only reason you defend lizzy is that she is the female
counterpart in how she feels about men, that you feel about women. Notice that you only
defend her because she is perverted, as everyone knows, and you need to defend those
who are as perverted as you are... you sick, sadistic bastard.
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"Juicy targets," have a very clear meaning when used by rapists.
Do you think I'm going to rape you, Jim?
I wouldn't put it past you. But it would be the typical reason for rape... the need for
power, control and sadistic domination that all rapists need. That is your idea of sex.
You certainly don't see sex as a natural part of our nature. You see it as dirty... which
is why you needed to defend the most dirty sexist in this group... lizzy. You and she
are emotionally joined at the hip.
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I was talking about you, as a target for insults. But Bob got juicy again, so you're yesterday's news. Try to cope.
No proof offered. Your claim fails.
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...Have you grown tired of raping little boys??
Second lie.
It's either one or the other that you're "targeting," el sicko.
False dichotomy noted, Captain Illogic. I target deserving ~individuals~ for insults. I don't care what gender they are.
So it is about sadism in your basic nature. Glad to see you own up to it.
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Or do you still believe
men are "juicier targets" than women to sexually assault?
Loaded question fallacy noted, Captain Illogic. Do you still wear your mom's panties?
Well, you're the one claiming you're finding "juicier targets."
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<clip lefty the prude (L) obscene insults and sexual suggestions (L) meant to deny the truth (L)>
(L) indicates lie.
No proof offered. Your claim fails.
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Context snipping cowardice noted, scum.
What sexual suggestions, scum?
So now I'm a prude again, rather than sex-obsessed? Can't make up your mind, huh. Senility set in, old fella?
Heh... notice the denial of sex in being a prude. Poor lefty arguing that prudes are
not "sex-obsessed," when that is the focus of their entire existence. The "prude"
and "sex-obsessed," are in fact mutually inclusive. The very definition of a "prude"
is == a person who is easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity.
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Deletions of context are a staple of your usenet diet, chickenheart. Go brag about raping your wife in a bar or something to get your frustrations about your inadequacy out, freak. Or better yet, give her the care she needs instead of spending 18/7 being a greasy old pervert and a vicious, dishonest asshole on usenet.
Heh.. you could also be the clone of lizzy. Do you fantasize about raping elderly women??
Apparently you do, in your closet sadism, while you preen yourself as someone who
defends women from sexual innuendos. But hypocrisy and prudishness go hand in hand.


Planet Visitor II
elizabeth
2014-11-01 21:57:35 UTC
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On Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15:49 AM UTC-7, Planet Visitor II wrote:

Take your meds, old man, you need to have a medical excuse for your posts in here. Really, show your care provider, if you have one, your posts.
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2014-11-02 18:21:08 UTC
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<clip lizzy, the vulgar, sadistic, creepy, and bloodthirsty baby murderer, obsessing over
Jim Noles>

Oops... nothing left.

Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
yellow-eyed, sagging jowl, Holocaust denying loser.


Planet Visitor II
elizabeth
2014-11-01 21:54:24 UTC
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On Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:04:08 PM UTC-7, Planet Visitor II wrote:

More sick, twisted rape fantasies from the resident perv.
I wonder if his wife is really sick, or if he did something, and she isn't even alive anymore? Seems like he spends hours every day in here. Well, if she is alive, he's given her plenty of evidence to be used against him in a court of law to have him committed.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe,
sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which
symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental
conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be
made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by
pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy,
generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United
States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially
not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in
a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to
Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene.
Please don't claim you're going to rape Elizabeth again... Have you grown tired of raping
little boys??
Planet Visitor II
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2014-11-02 18:19:51 UTC
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<clip lizzy, the vulgar, sadistic, creepy, and bloodthirsty baby murderer, obsessing over
Jim Noles>

Oops... nothing left.

Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
yellow-eyed, sagging jowl, Holocaust denying loser.


Planet Visitor II
c***@comcast.net
2014-10-31 04:57:17 UTC
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene. Didn't you say you were done with me, over and over, didn't want to talk to me, etc.?
Post by c***@comcast.net
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
If you ~do~ fully support the right to make that choice, why did you respond to a post directed at those who don't?
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking
Duly noted. So?
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
I expect a defensive response from anti-choicers. Since you claim not to be an anti-choicer, why are you getting defensive?
Asking questions is being defensive?
Asking you to clarify your position and ask for your solutions to the issues you raise is being defensive?
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Funny how you talk about facts as if they were something disreputable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
If anything, we should inform them that there are ~risks~. Most women, if not all, know this already. Whether they choose to accept and take the risk should always be up to them.
Inform how?
Do you want to scare women into wanting to abort?
I mean, pregnancies have been occurring since the beginning of time. You don't think women are aware of the risks?
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
If anything, campaign for choice. Don't "push" ~anything~. Let women decide for themselves if the risk is worth the reward. Get it
Women can decide for themselves now, what more do you want?
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
No, we should promote freedom of choice. You're just posing asinine questions because, as usual, you have no argument.
They have freedom of choice now, what more do you want?
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
That's insane, but considering the source I guess it's just business as usual.
Women, and only women, should get to decide if they wish to accept and take those risks. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Women should and only women should have the choice to avoid parent hood, correct?

If a woman doesn't want to have a child because she wants to continue her education, she and only she should have that luxury to walk away from the burden of being a mother by having an abortion...correct?
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
So let me get this straight. Unless I help every single pregnant woman I've ever met in some way, I have no right to post facts about the risks of pregnancy?
Logic has never been your friend.
You can post what you want and I'm challenging you on your phoney concern for women.
I don't see you out there helping any women.
Are you?

Are you helping women get medical care?

You are concerned for women, right?

Or are you?

Isn't it idiots like you who ask people who oppose the choice of abortion, how many babies they adopt?

It's only fair to turn the tables, so stop crying about it.

How many women are you personally helping?
What are you doing to make sure they don't die?
How many women have you saved?
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
People who oppose the freedom of others to make reproductive choices, choices which include abortion.
People can oppose the choice and still support the freedom of having that choice.
Do you not understand this?
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You can ~personally~ oppose it by choosing not to do it yourself and still support the right of others to do it. But you're a dude, Bob. So "opposing the choice to abort" means you want to tell others what to do with their bodies. It's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
So you're saying that because I'm a "dude", if I say that I think abortion is wrong...I'm somehow telling others what to do with their bodies?
And you have the nerve to talk about faulty logic?

Are you wanting to suppress my freedom of speech? Is that what this is all about?
Are you saying that just because I'm a "dude" I shouldn't be able to speak my opinion on an issue that is not only a public issue but a highly debatable and political issue?

And if I do, then somehow in your warped mind I'm now telling someone what to do with their body?

When did I ever tell a woman what to do with her body, simply because I say I think abortion is wrong?
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.
Ooh, I'm all a-tingle with anticipation. What happened to your previous insistence that you weren't interested in talking to me?
Post by c***@comcast.net
I'm sure you'll have many baseless claims to throw out in order to divert attention away from this. As this is your M.O.
I'm sure that you'll have other lies, in addition to the above, to fling about, in the desperate hope that you can bully somebody, anybody.
So now that you are apparently interested in talking to me again, let's chat. How's life treating ya these days, Bob? Are you any further in your weight loss journey?
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-10-31 07:01:56 UTC
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene. Didn't you say you were done with me, over and over, didn't want to talk to me, etc.?
Post by c***@comcast.net
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
If you ~do~ fully support the right to make that choice, why did you respond to a post directed at those who don't?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking
Duly noted. So?
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
I expect a defensive response from anti-choicers. Since you claim not to be an anti-choicer, why are you getting defensive?
Asking questions is being defensive?
When they are deliberately inane and intended to distract from the facts, yep.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Asking you to clarify your position and ask for your solutions to the issues you raise is being defensive?
Except you didn't do that. You started with insults and then began asking bizarre rhetorical questions.
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Funny how you talk about facts as if they were something disreputable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
If anything, we should inform them that there are ~risks~. Most women, if not all, know this already. Whether they choose to accept and take the risk should always be up to them.
Inform how?
Education. Heard of it?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you want to scare women into wanting to abort?
Nope, I'm not interested in trying to influence other people's reproductive decisions.
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I mean, pregnancies have been occurring since the beginning of time.
So?
Post by c***@comcast.net
You don't think women are aware of the risks?
Re-read. I just said most women are.
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
If anything, campaign for choice. Don't "push" ~anything~. Let women decide for themselves if the risk is worth the reward. Get it
Women can decide for themselves now, what more do you want?
I want it to stay that way. I want better access to abortion so that a free choice can be made.
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
No, we should promote freedom of choice. You're just posing asinine questions because, as usual, you have no argument.
They have freedom of choice now, what more do you want?
Not if they don't have easy access.
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
That's insane, but considering the source I guess it's just business as usual.
Women, and only women, should get to decide if they wish to accept and take those risks. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Women should and only women should have the choice to avoid parent hood, correct?
To avoid ~pregnancy and birth~. Once they are parents, they shouldn't be able to avoid parental responsibility. The child's interests come into play when there is a birth.
Post by c***@comcast.net
If a woman doesn't want to have a child because she wants to continue her education, she and only she should have that luxury to walk away from the burden of being a mother by having an abortion...correct?
Being pregnant isn't motherhood. That comes into it after birth. If she is a mother, she can only walk away from the burden by adoption.
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
So let me get this straight. Unless I help every single pregnant woman I've ever met in some way, I have no right to post facts about the risks of pregnancy?
Logic has never been your friend.
You can post what you want and I'm challenging you on your phoney concern for women.
Where did I express said concern? I posted facts. You ignored the facts in favour of getting personal. Typical Sideshow Bob nonsense.
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I don't see you out there helping any women.
What a stupid remark. How how could you possibly?
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Are you?
Your attempts to get me to talk about my personal life fail. Whenever you've done this in the past you don't believe my answer, so what's the point in asking?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you helping women get medical care?
Would you believe me if I answered you?
Post by c***@comcast.net
You are concerned for women, right?
I'm concerned for people in general.
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Or are you?
Isn't it idiots like you who ask people who oppose the choice of abortion, how many babies they adopt?
People ~like~ me? There's only one me, and I don't ask that.
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It's only fair to turn the tables, so stop crying about it.
1) I haven't even complained about it, much less cried. In fact, you didn't even give me a chance to respond in any way before you claimed I was "crying".
Are you really this dumb? It's not an act?

2) It's only fair to turn the tables on somebody who has actually said that to you. Since I didn't, go pound sand.
Post by c***@comcast.net
How many women are you personally helping?
I have no idea how many women have been helped by my charitable contributions. I'm not getting into details of my personal life and what I've done for people I know. Stop fishing for personal info.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What are you doing to make sure they don't die?
The only thing I can personally do is contribute to charities which help women and children, which I do.
Post by c***@comcast.net
How many women have you saved?
Get real, Bobbo. I'm not a superhero.
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
People who oppose the freedom of others to make reproductive choices, choices which include abortion.
People can oppose the choice and still support the freedom of having that choice.
Do you not understand this?
<sigh>
Re-post;
Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?

You answer is....?
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
See above. Answer my question, Bob. You ask a lot of rhetorical questions but never answer mine.
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You can ~personally~ oppose it by choosing not to do it yourself and still support the right of others to do it. But you're a dude, Bob. So "opposing the choice to abort" means you want to tell others what to do with their bodies. It's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
So you're saying that because I'm a "dude", if I say that I think abortion is wrong...I'm somehow telling others what to do with their bodies?
Depends on how you behave. If you try to prevent them from making that choice by shaming them and/or harassing them, then you are. If you don't try to interfere in any way, then no.

Now stop being a coward and answer my question; it's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
Post by c***@comcast.net
And you have the nerve to talk about faulty logic?
Since you're the one posting fallacious bullshit, yeah.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you wanting to suppress my freedom of speech? Is that what this is all about?
Anything but. If you weren't free to speak, I wouldn't get the laughs.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying that just because I'm a "dude" I shouldn't be able to speak my opinion on an issue that is not only a public issue but a highly debatable and political issue?
It's you who tries to stop people from speaking, Bob. You do that by threatening them physically. You did it to me and you've done it to others.
Of course you should be able to speak. Just don't expect people to respect your POV.
Post by c***@comcast.net
And if I do, then somehow in your warped mind I'm now telling someone what to do with their body?
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
When did I ever tell a woman what to do with her body, simply because I say I think abortion is wrong?
Hmmm..... perhaps in that infamous post when you ranted about how "real women" don't have abortions? Trying to shame women for making that choice is telling them what to do. If you really respect their right to choose, you don't try to make them feel bad about themselves.
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Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.
Ooh, I'm all a-tingle with anticipation. What happened to your previous insistence that you weren't interested in talking to me?
No answer, Bob?
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
I'm sure you'll have many baseless claims to throw out in order to divert attention away from this. As this is your M.O.
I'm sure that you'll have other lies, in addition to the above, to fling about, in the desperate hope that you can bully somebody, anybody.
So now that you are apparently interested in talking to me again, let's chat. How's life treating ya these days, Bob? Are you any further in your weight loss journey?
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2014-10-31 10:15:32 UTC
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene. Didn't you say you were done with me, over and over, didn't want to talk to me, etc.?
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I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
If you ~do~ fully support the right to make that choice, why did you respond to a post directed at those who don't?
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking
Duly noted. So?
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
I expect a defensive response from anti-choicers. Since you claim not to be an anti-choicer, why are you getting defensive?
Asking questions is being defensive?
When they are deliberately inane and intended to distract from the facts, yep.
Yet, my questions are not doing that. I think you need to check yourself and your feelings.
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Asking you to clarify your position and ask for your solutions to the issues you raise is being defensive?
Except you didn't do that. You started with insults and then began asking bizarre rhetorical questions.
Check your feelings.
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Funny how you talk about facts as if they were something disreputable.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
If anything, we should inform them that there are ~risks~. Most women, if not all, know this already. Whether they choose to accept and take the risk should always be up to them.
Inform how?
Education. Heard of it?
And what are you doing to educate women?
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Do you want to scare women into wanting to abort?
Nope, I'm not interested in trying to influence other people's reproductive decisions.
Really? I don't believe that for a minute. I think your intentions are to scare women.
I don't see you educating women on successful pregnancies at all.
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I mean, pregnancies have been occurring since the beginning of time.
So?
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You don't think women are aware of the risks?
Re-read. I just said most women are.
I don't think you're in tune with what women know at all.
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
If anything, campaign for choice. Don't "push" ~anything~. Let women decide for themselves if the risk is worth the reward. Get it
Women can decide for themselves now, what more do you want?
I want it to stay that way. I want better access to abortion so that a free choice can be made.
Ah, "better access to abortion". You're agenda is clear.
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
No, we should promote freedom of choice. You're just posing asinine questions because, as usual, you have no argument.
They have freedom of choice now, what more do you want?
Not if they don't have easy access.
What are you doing for women who don't want abortions?
What are you doing to help them?
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
That's insane, but considering the source I guess it's just business as usual.
Women, and only women, should get to decide if they wish to accept and take those risks. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Women should and only women should have the choice to avoid parent hood, correct?
To avoid ~pregnancy and birth~.
Hence: avoid parenthood.
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Once they are parents, they shouldn't be able to avoid parental responsibility. The child's interests come into play when there is a birth.
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If a woman doesn't want to have a child because she wants to continue her education, she and only she should have that luxury to walk away from the burden of being a mother by having an abortion...correct?
Being pregnant isn't motherhood. That comes into it after birth. If she is a mother, she can only walk away from the burden by adoption.
I take note of your total avoidance of my question.
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
So let me get this straight. Unless I help every single pregnant woman I've ever met in some way, I have no right to post facts about the risks of pregnancy?
Logic has never been your friend.
You can post what you want and I'm challenging you on your phoney concern for women.
Where did I express said concern?
Don't worry, I know you don't care. That's my whole point. You're phoney.
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I posted facts.
Where are your facts about completely successful pregnancies?
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You ignored the facts in favour of getting personal. Typical Sideshow Bob nonsense.
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I don't see you out there helping any women.
What a stupid remark. How how could you possibly?
It just starts by helping one, and going forward. What are you doing about it?
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Are you?
Your attempts to get me to talk about my personal life fail.
Oh, lets remember that one.
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Whenever you've done this in the past you don't believe my answer, so what's the point in asking?
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Are you helping women get medical care?
Would you believe me if I answered you?
You have never given me reason to believe a word you say.
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You are concerned for women, right?
I'm concerned for people in general.
No, no...no you're not. You're only concerned with yourself and if people agree with you.
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Or are you?
Isn't it idiots like you who ask people who oppose the choice of abortion, how many babies they adopt?
People ~like~ me? There's only one me, and I don't ask that.
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It's only fair to turn the tables, so stop crying about it.
1) I haven't even complained about it, much less cried.
ROFL
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In fact, you didn't even give me a chance to respond in any way before you claimed I was "crying".
Are you really this dumb? It's not an act?
2) It's only fair to turn the tables on somebody who has actually said that to you. Since I didn't, go pound sand.
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How many women are you personally helping?
I have no idea how many women have been helped by my charitable contributions.
Love that "charitable contributions" part. And just how do you contribute charitably?
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I'm not getting into details of my personal life and what I've done for people I know. Stop fishing for personal info.
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What are you doing to make sure they don't die?
The only thing I can personally do is contribute to charities which help women and children, which I do.
I seriously doubt that.
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How many women have you saved?
Get real, Bobbo. I'm not a superhero.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
People who oppose the freedom of others to make reproductive choices, choices which include abortion.
People can oppose the choice and still support the freedom of having that choice.
Do you not understand this?
<sigh>
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Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
You're stupid. I do not support the choice to abort. But I totally support a woman having the right to choose what to do with her own body. I would not, and never have, and never would try to interfere with her decision and I know plenty of others who feel the same way.

You're assumption that I would "obviously support her being forced to give birth" is a totally stupid and ignorant baseless opinion.
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You answer is....?
That you're stupid for thinking that at all.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
See above. Answer my question, Bob. You ask a lot of rhetorical questions but never answer mine.
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You can ~personally~ oppose it by choosing not to do it yourself and still support the right of others to do it. But you're a dude, Bob. So "opposing the choice to abort" means you want to tell others what to do with their bodies. It's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
So you're saying that because I'm a "dude", if I say that I think abortion is wrong...I'm somehow telling others what to do with their bodies?
Depends on how you behave.
Oh, so now it's how one behaves. And you determine what is or isn't good behavior right? As long as we follow your rules, right?
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If you try to prevent them from making that choice by shaming them and/or harassing them, then you are. If you don't try to interfere in any way, then no.
And you don't harass or try to shame people on anything, right?
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Now stop being a coward and answer my question; it's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
I agree, but that doesn't mean I can't speak about it.
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And you have the nerve to talk about faulty logic?
Since you're the one posting fallacious bullshit, yeah.
LOL says the one who has mad some "fallacious bullshit".
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Are you wanting to suppress my freedom of speech? Is that what this is all about?
Anything but. If you weren't free to speak, I wouldn't get the laughs.
Right back at you
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Are you saying that just because I'm a "dude" I shouldn't be able to speak my opinion on an issue that is not only a public issue but a highly debatable and political issue?
It's you who tries to stop people from speaking,
Oh? And when have I done this?
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Bob. You do that by threatening them physically.
Have I threatened you physically because you are speaking?
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You did it to me and you've done it to others.
I've not threatened anyone for speaking.
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Of course you should be able to speak. Just don't expect people to respect your POV.
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And if I do, then somehow in your warped mind I'm now telling someone what to do with their body?
See above.
I think YOU need to see above.
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When did I ever tell a woman what to do with her body, simply because I say I think abortion is wrong?
Hmmm..... perhaps in that infamous post when you ranted about how "real women" don't have abortions?
Ok, so I said that. That's an opinion. Not telling women what to do with their bodies. A woman can do what ever she wants with her body. That doesn't mean I have to support her choice.
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Trying to shame women for making that choice is telling them what to do.
I'm not telling women what to do moron.
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If you really respect their right to choose, you don't try to make them feel >bad about themselves.
You have no room to talk about respecting others, since you're incapable of doing the same. You can't respect anyone who has a different opinion than yours without you attacking them personally.
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Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.
Ooh, I'm all a-tingle with anticipation. What happened to your previous insistence that you weren't interested in talking to me?
No answer, Bob?
Didn't care to. Got a problem with it?
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I'm sure you'll have many baseless claims to throw out in order to divert attention away from this. As this is your M.O.
I'm sure that you'll have other lies, in addition to the above, to fling about, in the desperate hope that you can bully somebody, anybody.
So now that you are apparently interested in talking to me again, let's chat. How's life treating ya these days, Bob? Are you any further in your weight loss journey?
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene. Didn't you say you were done with me, over and over, didn't want to talk to me, etc.?
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I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
If you ~do~ fully support the right to make that choice, why did you respond to a post directed at those who don't?
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking
Duly noted. So?
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
I expect a defensive response from anti-choicers. Since you claim not to be an anti-choicer, why are you getting defensive?
Asking questions is being defensive?
When they are deliberately inane and intended to distract from the facts, yep.
Yet, my questions are not doing that. I think you need to check yourself and your feelings.
They aren't doing it because you suck at this, Bob. An attempt counts as such whether it's successful or not.
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Asking you to clarify your position and ask for your solutions to the issues you raise is being defensive?
Except you didn't do that. You started with insults and then began asking bizarre rhetorical questions.
Check your feelings.
Check your assumptions.
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Funny how you talk about facts as if they were something disreputable.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
If anything, we should inform them that there are ~risks~. Most women, if not all, know this already. Whether they choose to accept and take the risk should always be up to them.
Inform how?
Education. Heard of it?
And what are you doing to educate women?
Why do you keep asking questions when you aren't willing to accept an answer?
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Do you want to scare women into wanting to abort?
Nope, I'm not interested in trying to influence other people's reproductive decisions.
Really? I don't believe that for a minute. I think your intentions are to scare women.
They're already scared, idiot. Any sane, informed person would be scared to some degree. It doesn't stop any woman who thinks the reward is worth the risk. Since it's inherently dangerous, I'm a bit scared every time I drive my car. I still drive because the reward (freedom of movement) is worth the risk.
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I don't see you educating women on successful pregnancies at all.
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I mean, pregnancies have been occurring since the beginning of time.
So?
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You don't think women are aware of the risks?
Re-read. I just said most women are.
I don't think you're in tune with what women know at all.
Are you saying most women ~don't~ know the risks?
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
If anything, campaign for choice. Don't "push" ~anything~. Let women decide for themselves if the risk is worth the reward. Get it
Women can decide for themselves now, what more do you want?
I want it to stay that way. I want better access to abortion so that a free choice can be made.
Ah, "better access to abortion". You're agenda is clear.
What's your point?
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
No, we should promote freedom of choice. You're just posing asinine questions because, as usual, you have no argument.
They have freedom of choice now, what more do you want?
Not if they don't have easy access.
What are you doing for women who don't want abortions?
What are you doing to help them?
Why do you keep asking questions when you aren't willing to accept my answer?
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
That's insane, but considering the source I guess it's just business as usual.
Women, and only women, should get to decide if they wish to accept and take those risks. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Women should and only women should have the choice to avoid parent hood, correct?
To avoid ~pregnancy and birth~.
Hence: avoid parenthood.
Nope, if all you want to do is avoid parenthood, you can give birth and adopt the kid out.
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Once they are parents, they shouldn't be able to avoid parental responsibility. The child's interests come into play when there is a birth.
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If a woman doesn't want to have a child because she wants to continue her education, she and only she should have that luxury to walk away from the burden of being a mother by having an abortion...correct?
Being pregnant isn't motherhood. That comes into it after birth. If she is a mother, she can only walk away from the burden by adoption.
I take note of your total avoidance of my question.
I answered it it despite the fact that as posed, it was a loaded question fallacy. It contained the false statement "she can walk away from the burden of being a mother by having an abortion" which you assumed I would accept. Abortion isn't walking away from the burden of motherhood. Motherhood starts when the kid is born. Abortion is walking away from the burden of pregnancy and childbirth.
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
So let me get this straight. Unless I help every single pregnant woman I've ever met in some way, I have no right to post facts about the risks of pregnancy?
Logic has never been your friend.
You can post what you want and I'm challenging you on your phoney concern for women.
Where did I express said concern?
Don't worry, I know you don't care. That's my whole point. You're phoney.
If I didn't say I was concerned, it can't be "phoney" concern, oh logically-challenged one.
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I posted facts.
Where are your facts about completely successful pregnancies?
Of course there are many successful pregnancies. So?
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You ignored the facts in favour of getting personal. Typical Sideshow Bob nonsense.
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I don't see you out there helping any women.
What a stupid remark. How how could you possibly?
It just starts by helping one, and going forward. What are you doing about it?
You haven't believed any of my answers, yet continue to ask. See any logical disconnect there?
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Are you?
Your attempts to get me to talk about my personal life fail.
Oh, lets remember that one.
Ooh, Bob's making an implied threat to use it against me sometime. As always, his attempt will fall flat.
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Whenever you've done this in the past you don't believe my answer, so what's the point in asking?
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Are you helping women get medical care?
Would you believe me if I answered you?
You have never given me reason to believe a word you say.
I'll try this slowly, so it might possibly penetrate;
why. do. you. keep. asking. me. questions. if. you. aren't. willing. to. believe. my. answers?
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You are concerned for women, right?
I'm concerned for people in general.
No, no...no you're not. You're only concerned with yourself and if people agree with you.
Why do you ask questions when you aren't willing to accept an answer? Is it just because you're logically challenged, or does the fact that you're an all-purpose jerk have something to do with it?.
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Or are you?
Isn't it idiots like you who ask people who oppose the choice of abortion, how many babies they adopt?
People ~like~ me? There's only one me, and I don't ask that.
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It's only fair to turn the tables, so stop crying about it.
1) I haven't even complained about it, much less cried.
ROFL
A tepid, phoned-in response, since you know I'm right but you don't have the balls to admit it.
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In fact, you didn't even give me a chance to respond in any way before you claimed I was "crying".
Are you really this dumb? It's not an act?
2) It's only fair to turn the tables on somebody who has actually said that to you. Since I didn't, go pound sand.
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How many women are you personally helping?
I have no idea how many women have been helped by my charitable contributions.
Love that "charitable contributions" part. And just how do you contribute charitably?
How does anyone do that, idiot? Strain that brain cell and figure it out.
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I'm not getting into details of my personal life and what I've done for people I know. Stop fishing for personal info.
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What are you doing to make sure they don't die?
The only thing I can personally do is contribute to charities which help women and children, which I do.
I seriously doubt that.
Once again, you ask a question when you aren't prepared to accept the answer.
Don't expect me to ever answer a question from you again, turd.
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How many women have you saved?
Get real, Bobbo. I'm not a superhero.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
People who oppose the freedom of others to make reproductive choices, choices which include abortion.
People can oppose the choice and still support the freedom of having that choice.
Do you not understand this?
<sigh>
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Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
You're stupid. I do not support the choice to abort. But I totally support a woman having the right to choose what to do with her own body. I would not, and never have, and never would try to interfere with her decision and I know plenty of others who feel the same way.
If you mean you don't do anything to try to limit access to abortion, I have no problem with that. As long as you don't try to influence women's decisions through shaming, harassment, manipulation, etc., I don't care. As long as you don't vote for, or state your support for, anti-choice political representatives, I don't care.
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You're assumption that I would "obviously support her being forced to give birth" is a totally stupid and ignorant baseless opinion.
Bob, you're getting defensive again. We've been talking theoretically here, not about you personally. If you aren't anti-choice, why do you assume the OP was directed at you?
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You answer is....?
That you're stupid for thinking that at all.
Since you clearly don't know what I'm thinking, <yawn>.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
See above. Answer my question, Bob. You ask a lot of rhetorical questions but never answer mine.
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You can ~personally~ oppose it by choosing not to do it yourself and still support the right of others to do it. But you're a dude, Bob. So "opposing the choice to abort" means you want to tell others what to do with their bodies. It's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
So you're saying that because I'm a "dude", if I say that I think abortion is wrong...I'm somehow telling others what to do with their bodies?
Depends on how you behave.
Oh, so now it's how one behaves. And you determine what is or isn't good behavior right? As long as we follow your rules, right?
Of course I get to determine what ~I~ consider good or bad behaviour, idiot. That's not obligatory on you. You don't care what I have to say about your behaviour, remember. Didn't you claim that, over and over?
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If you try to prevent them from making that choice by shaming them and/or harassing them, then you are. If you don't try to interfere in any way, then no.
And you don't harass or try to shame people on anything, right?
I will lecture people about their bad personal conduct if I consider them deserving. I don't consider that harassment and I would guess that neither do you, since you make lame attempts to do it yourself all the time. Since I only do it to people who are, IMO, without the capacity to feel shame about their behaviour, I wouldn't consider it shaming.
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Now stop being a coward and answer my question; it's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
I agree, but that doesn't mean I can't speak about it.
Of course. It does mean you don't try to shame, manipulate or harass women about it.
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And you have the nerve to talk about faulty logic?
Since you're the one posting fallacious bullshit, yeah.
LOL says the one who has mad some "fallacious bullshit".
Only if you count your worthless strawmen as my actual position.
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Are you wanting to suppress my freedom of speech? Is that what this is all about?
Anything but. If you weren't free to speak, I wouldn't get the laughs.
Right back at you
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Are you saying that just because I'm a "dude" I shouldn't be able to speak my opinion on an issue that is not only a public issue but a highly debatable and political issue?
It's you who tries to stop people from speaking,
Oh? And when have I done this?
Do I really have to bring back that oft-repeated quote of yours about what you'd do to a guy for "running his mouth"?
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Bob. You do that by threatening them physically.
Have I threatened you physically because you are speaking?
You threatened me for saying things to you which you didn't like and you know it.
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You did it to me and you've done it to others.
I've not threatened anyone for speaking.
Deliberate, outright lie. You know full well what you said about what you'd do to somebody for "running his mouth". You threatened his life. Do I really have to bring back that quote, which you've seen many times re-posted by Silent Otto, Echo, etc? Are you really going to continue to brazen it out in the face of that?
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Of course you should be able to speak. Just don't expect people to respect your POV.
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And if I do, then somehow in your warped mind I'm now telling someone what to do with their body?
See above.
I think YOU need to see above.
Seen it, dealt with it.
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When did I ever tell a woman what to do with her body, simply because I say I think abortion is wrong?
Hmmm..... perhaps in that infamous post when you ranted about how "real women" don't have abortions?
Ok, so I said that. That's an opinion. Not telling women what to do with their bodies. A woman can do what ever she wants with her body. That doesn't mean I have to support her choice.
If such rants aren't meant to influence women, what is the purpose of them?
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Trying to shame women for making that choice is telling them what to do.
I'm not telling women what to do moron.
Not in so many words, but when you try to influence them via bullying tactics, the effect is the same. The fact that you're oblique and sneaky about it doesn't absolve you, it just proves you don't have the courage of your convictions.
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If you really respect their right to choose, you don't try to make them feel >bad about themselves.
You have no room to talk about respecting others, since you're incapable of doing the same. You can't respect anyone who has a different opinion than yours without you attacking them personally.
Historical revision and hypocrisy noted. I did treat you respectfully back in the day, and only stopped because ~you~ got nasty over a difference of opinion. So try that on somebody who doesn't know what a despicable fraud you are. Every time you come here you make an unprovoked attack on somebody whose opinion you don't like. As usual, anything you accuse others of is something you're guilty of yourself.
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Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.
Ooh, I'm all a-tingle with anticipation. What happened to your previous insistence that you weren't interested in talking to me?
No answer, Bob?
Didn't care to. Got a problem with it?
Were too cowardly to, because you know you said that and you have proven that it wasn't true by posting to me repeatedly. Ho-hum. Bob lied. Nothing new here.
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I'm sure you'll have many baseless claims to throw out in order to divert attention away from this. As this is your M.O.
I'm sure that you'll have other lies, in addition to the above, to fling about, in the desperate hope that you can bully somebody, anybody.
So now that you are apparently interested in talking to me again, let's chat. How's life treating ya these days, Bob? Are you any further in your weight loss journey?
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene. Didn't you say you were done with me, over and over, didn't want to talk to me, etc.?
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I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
If you ~do~ fully support the right to make that choice, why did you respond to a post directed at those who don't?
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking
Duly noted. So?
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
I expect a defensive response from anti-choicers. Since you claim not to be an anti-choicer, why are you getting defensive?
Asking questions is being defensive?
When they are deliberately inane and intended to distract from the facts, yep.
Yet, my questions are not doing that. I think you need to check yourself and your feelings.
They aren't doing it because you suck at this, Bob. An attempt counts as such whether it's successful or not.
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Asking you to clarify your position and ask for your solutions to the issues you raise is being defensive?
Except you didn't do that. You started with insults and then began asking bizarre rhetorical questions.
Check your feelings.
Check your assumptions.
No, you need to check how you read into things. You hear and read what you want to hear and read. That's just how you are.
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Funny how you talk about facts as if they were something disreputable.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
If anything, we should inform them that there are ~risks~. Most women, if not all, know this already. Whether they choose to accept and take the risk should always be up to them.
Inform how?
Education. Heard of it?
And what are you doing to educate women?
Why do you keep asking questions when you aren't willing to accept an answer?
Because you're not answering.
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Do you want to scare women into wanting to abort?
Nope, I'm not interested in trying to influence other people's reproductive decisions.
Really? I don't believe that for a minute. I think your intentions are to scare women.
They're already scared, idiot.
Then why do you want to see them even more scared?
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Any sane, informed person would be scared to some degree. It doesn't stop any woman who thinks the reward is worth the risk. Since it's inherently dangerous, I'm a bit scared every time I drive my car. I still drive because the reward (freedom of movement) is worth the risk.
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I don't see you educating women on successful pregnancies at all.
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I mean, pregnancies have been occurring since the beginning of time.
So?
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You don't think women are aware of the risks?
Re-read. I just said most women are.
I don't think you're in tune with what women know at all.
Are you saying most women ~don't~ know the risks?
No, I said I don't think you are in tune with what women know at all.
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
If anything, campaign for choice. Don't "push" ~anything~. Let women decide for themselves if the risk is worth the reward. Get it
Women can decide for themselves now, what more do you want?
I want it to stay that way. I want better access to abortion so that a free choice can be made.
Ah, "better access to abortion". You're agenda is clear.
What's your point?
Just what I said, your agenda is clear.
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
No, we should promote freedom of choice. You're just posing asinine questions because, as usual, you have no argument.
They have freedom of choice now, what more do you want?
Not if they don't have easy access.
What are you doing for women who don't want abortions?
What are you doing to help them?
Why do you keep asking questions when you aren't willing to accept my answer?
Because you're not answering.
You're making a lot of noise and showing nothing for it.
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
That's insane, but considering the source I guess it's just business as usual.
Women, and only women, should get to decide if they wish to accept and take those risks. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Women should and only women should have the choice to avoid parent hood, correct?
To avoid ~pregnancy and birth~.
Hence: avoid parenthood.
Nope, if all you want to do is avoid parenthood, you can give birth and adopt the kid out.
Right, you make it sound so easy.
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Once they are parents, they shouldn't be able to avoid parental responsibility. The child's interests come into play when there is a birth.
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If a woman doesn't want to have a child because she wants to continue her education, she and only she should have that luxury to walk away from the burden of being a mother by having an abortion...correct?
Being pregnant isn't motherhood. That comes into it after birth. If she is a mother, she can only walk away from the burden by adoption.
I take note of your total avoidance of my question.
I answered it it despite the fact that as posed, it was a loaded question fallacy.
No, you avoided it because you know I can easily trap you with your honest answer. That is, if you were honest enough to actually answer it. But like most cowards, you like to dance around questions.
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It contained the false statement "she can walk away from the burden of being a mother by having an abortion" which you assumed I would accept.
What is false about it? She can walk away from it, by getting an abortion.
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Abortion isn't walking away from the burden of motherhood. Motherhood starts >when the kid is born. Abortion is walking away from the burden of pregnancy >and childbirth.
No, motherhood begins from the moment of conception. She, along with her body, protects the fetus. Yea, I know you will not call it a baby, a child, unborn, a human. And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why.
You, like any other rapist or serial killer, must dehumanize the fetus in order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
You think you're smart, but in reality...you're very stupid.
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
So let me get this straight. Unless I help every single pregnant woman I've ever met in some way, I have no right to post facts about the risks of pregnancy?
Logic has never been your friend.
You can post what you want and I'm challenging you on your phoney concern for women.
Where did I express said concern?
Don't worry, I know you don't care. That's my whole point. You're phoney.
If I didn't say I was concerned, it can't be "phoney" concern, oh logically-challenged one.
You're a phoney!!!
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I posted facts.
Where are your facts about completely successful pregnancies?
Of course there are many successful pregnancies. So?
Why don't you talk about them? Why aren't you posting facts about them?
We both know why, because you don't want to. It doesn't fit into your agenda.
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You ignored the facts in favour of getting personal. Typical Sideshow Bob nonsense.
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I don't see you out there helping any women.
What a stupid remark. How how could you possibly?
It just starts by helping one, and going forward. What are you doing about it?
You haven't believed any of my answers, yet continue to ask. See any logical disconnect there?
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Are you?
Your attempts to get me to talk about my personal life fail.
Oh, lets remember that one.
Ooh, Bob's making an implied threat to use it against me sometime. As always, his attempt will fall flat.
Implied threat? You feel imminent danger by me saying "lets remember that one"?
What imminent danger am I posing to you in order for you to feel threatened?

It's merely a way of saying your own words will come back to show you're a liar and a hypocrite. How is that a threat?

Check your feelings.
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Whenever you've done this in the past you don't believe my answer, so what's the point in asking?
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Are you helping women get medical care?
Would you believe me if I answered you?
You have never given me reason to believe a word you say.
I'll try this slowly, so it might possibly penetrate;
why. do. you. keep. asking. me. questions. if. you. aren't. willing. to. believe. my. answers?
You've lied so much in the past it's impossible to believe you. I'm merely pointing out your behavior, your hypocrisy, and your willingness to be evasive.
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You are concerned for women, right?
I'm concerned for people in general.
No, no...no you're not. You're only concerned with yourself and if people agree with you.
Why do you ask questions when you aren't willing to accept an answer? Is it just because you're logically challenged, or does the fact that you're an all-purpose jerk have something to do with it?.
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Or are you?
Isn't it idiots like you who ask people who oppose the choice of abortion, how many babies they adopt?
People ~like~ me? There's only one me, and I don't ask that.
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It's only fair to turn the tables, so stop crying about it.
1) I haven't even complained about it, much less cried.
ROFL
A tepid, phoned-in response, since you know I'm right but you don't have the balls to admit it.
Right, ok. Well you just go right on ahead and think that. I'll continue laughing at your comedy routine. You're funny.
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In fact, you didn't even give me a chance to respond in any way before you claimed I was "crying".
Are you really this dumb? It's not an act?
2) It's only fair to turn the tables on somebody who has actually said that to you. Since I didn't, go pound sand.
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How many women are you personally helping?
I have no idea how many women have been helped by my charitable contributions.
Love that "charitable contributions" part. And just how do you contribute charitably?
How does anyone do that, idiot? Strain that brain cell and figure it out.
How do you contribute?
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I'm not getting into details of my personal life and what I've done for people I know. Stop fishing for personal info.
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What are you doing to make sure they don't die?
The only thing I can personally do is contribute to charities which help women and children, which I do.
I seriously doubt that.
Once again, you ask a question when you aren't prepared to accept the answer.
Don't expect me to ever answer a question from you again, turd.
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How many women have you saved?
Get real, Bobbo. I'm not a superhero.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
People who oppose the freedom of others to make reproductive choices, choices which include abortion.
People can oppose the choice and still support the freedom of having that choice.
Do you not understand this?
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Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
You're stupid. I do not support the choice to abort. But I totally support a woman having the right to choose what to do with her own body. I would not, and never have, and never would try to interfere with her decision and I know plenty of others who feel the same way.
If you mean you don't do anything to try to limit access to abortion, I have no problem with that.
And I should care if you have a problem or don't have a problem?
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As long as you don't try to influence women's decisions through shaming, harassment, manipulation, etc., I don't care.
Hmmm you never tried to harass, manipulate or shame anyone?
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As long as you don't vote for, or state your support for, anti-choice political representatives, I don't care.
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You're assumption that I would "obviously support her being forced to give birth" is a totally stupid and ignorant baseless opinion.
Bob, you're getting defensive again.
Not at all, just pointing out your stupidity and false assumptions.
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We've been talking theoretically here, not about you personally. If you aren't anti-choice, why do you assume the OP was directed at you?
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You answer is....?
That you're stupid for thinking that at all.
Since you clearly don't know what I'm thinking, <yawn>.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
See above. Answer my question, Bob. You ask a lot of rhetorical questions but never answer mine.
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You can ~personally~ oppose it by choosing not to do it yourself and still support the right of others to do it. But you're a dude, Bob. So "opposing the choice to abort" means you want to tell others what to do with their bodies. It's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
So you're saying that because I'm a "dude", if I say that I think abortion is wrong...I'm somehow telling others what to do with their bodies?
Depends on how you behave.
Oh, so now it's how one behaves. And you determine what is or isn't good behavior right? As long as we follow your rules, right?
Of course I get to determine what ~I~ consider good or bad behaviour, idiot. That's not obligatory on you. You don't care what I have to say about your behaviour, remember. Didn't you claim that, over and over?
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If you try to prevent them from making that choice by shaming them and/or harassing them, then you are. If you don't try to interfere in any way, then no.
And you don't harass or try to shame people on anything, right?
I will lecture people about their bad personal conduct if I consider them deserving.
Lecture how? By name calling? Personal attacks? That's not attempts to intimidate? Attempts to harass? Attempts to shame?

Are you going to sit there and actually say you don't do these things?

You don't throw personal attacks at people who are religious? Or conservative? Or support conservative ideas?
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I don't consider that harassment and I would guess that neither do you, since >you make lame attempts to do it yourself all the time. Since I only do it to >people who are, IMO, without the capacity to feel shame about their behaviour, >I wouldn't consider it shaming.
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Now stop being a coward and answer my question; it's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
I agree, but that doesn't mean I can't speak about it.
Of course. It does mean you don't try to shame, manipulate or harass women about it.
And you don't try to shame, manipulate or harass men or women?
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And you have the nerve to talk about faulty logic?
Since you're the one posting fallacious bullshit, yeah.
LOL says the one who has mad some "fallacious bullshit".
Only if you count your worthless strawmen as my actual position.
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Are you wanting to suppress my freedom of speech? Is that what this is all about?
Anything but. If you weren't free to speak, I wouldn't get the laughs.
Right back at you
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Are you saying that just because I'm a "dude" I shouldn't be able to speak my opinion on an issue that is not only a public issue but a highly debatable and political issue?
It's you who tries to stop people from speaking,
Oh? And when have I done this?
Do I really have to bring back that oft-repeated quote of yours about what you'd do to a guy for "running his mouth"?
Sure, I've said some things in the past. And I probably will again. And I'm sure you have too. But here is something I noticed about you, that shows your hypocrisy. When people have made threats to me, where were you to question them?

Answer: nowhere

When people lied about me, about my life, family, or career; where were you to question them?

Answer: Nowhere

You see? You only pick and choose people whom you disagree with to attack. If they are a part of your ilk, like the ostrich, you turn and look the other way.

That makes you a hypocrite.
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Bob. You do that by threatening them physically.
Have I threatened you physically because you are speaking?
You threatened me for saying things to you which you didn't like and you know it.
I'm sure a lot of people have threatened you. You're the kind of person who would look for trouble and probably find it.
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You did it to me and you've done it to others.
I've not threatened anyone for speaking.
Deliberate, outright lie. You know full well what you said about what you'd do to somebody for "running his mouth". You threatened his life.
I do recall one time, after that same person made the same exact threat towards me in a previous conversation.

Yes, conversation and just two people saying the same thing back and forth to each other. Would I in reality? No, I wouldn't. Now, if someone were to come at me, and threaten me or attempt to bring harm...well, I will do what I got to do then. But in a silly newsgroup, no. You or no one else is worth that.


Do I really have to bring back that quote, which you've seen many times re-posted by Silent Otto, Echo, etc? Are you really going to continue to brazen it out in the face of that?
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Of course you should be able to speak. Just don't expect people to respect your POV.
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And if I do, then somehow in your warped mind I'm now telling someone what to do with their body?
See above.
I think YOU need to see above.
Seen it, dealt with it.
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When did I ever tell a woman what to do with her body, simply because I say I think abortion is wrong?
Hmmm..... perhaps in that infamous post when you ranted about how "real women" don't have abortions?
Ok, so I said that. That's an opinion. Not telling women what to do with their bodies. A woman can do what ever she wants with her body. That doesn't mean I have to support her choice.
If such rants aren't meant to influence women, what is the purpose of them?
What's the purpose of some of your rants?

I bet you think you don't have any, don't you?
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Trying to shame women for making that choice is telling them what to do.
I'm not telling women what to do moron.
Not in so many words,
Exactly...so don't try to say I am. Just end it there because when you said "not in so many words" that shows that you try to alter or change meaning in what people say. That's just dishonest.
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but when you try to influence them via bullying tactics, the effect is the >same. The fact that you're oblique and sneaky about it doesn't absolve you, it >just proves you don't have the courage of your convictions.
Check your feelings.
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If you really respect their right to choose, you don't try to make them feel >bad about themselves.
You have no room to talk about respecting others, since you're incapable of doing the same. You can't respect anyone who has a different opinion than yours without you attacking them personally.
Historical revision and hypocrisy noted. I did treat you respectfully back in the day,
Lie
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Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.
Ooh, I'm all a-tingle with anticipation. What happened to your previous insistence that you weren't interested in talking to me?
No answer, Bob?
Didn't care to. Got a problem with it?
Were too cowardly to, ...
Nope, just don't care enough about you to entertain your question.
Learn that
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
You've started lying again, Bob. To think I had almost forgotten about you, thanks to a juicier target appearing on the scene. Didn't you say you were done with me, over and over, didn't want to talk to me, etc.?
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I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
If you ~do~ fully support the right to make that choice, why did you respond to a post directed at those who don't?
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking
Duly noted. So?
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
I expect a defensive response from anti-choicers. Since you claim not to be an anti-choicer, why are you getting defensive?
Asking questions is being defensive?
When they are deliberately inane and intended to distract from the facts, yep.
Yet, my questions are not doing that. I think you need to check yourself and your feelings.
They aren't doing it because you suck at this, Bob. An attempt counts as such whether it's successful or not.
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Asking you to clarify your position and ask for your solutions to the issues you raise is being defensive?
Except you didn't do that. You started with insults and then began asking bizarre rhetorical questions.
Check your feelings.
Check your assumptions.
No, you need to check how you read into things. You hear and read what you want to hear and read. That's just how you are.
So you're saying you didn't insult me and didn't ask bizarre rhetorical questions instead of responding directly to what I posted?
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Funny how you talk about facts as if they were something disreputable.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
If anything, we should inform them that there are ~risks~. Most women, if not all, know this already. Whether they choose to accept and take the risk should always be up to them.
Inform how?
Education. Heard of it?
And what are you doing to educate women?
Why do you keep asking questions when you aren't willing to accept an answer?
Because you're not answering.
That's untrue, Bob. I answer and you say you don't believe me. Re-post;

"Really? I don't believe that for a minute. I think your intentions are to scare women."

"I seriously doubt that."
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Do you want to scare women into wanting to abort?
Nope, I'm not interested in trying to influence other people's reproductive decisions.
Really? I don't believe that for a minute. I think your intentions are to scare women.
They're already scared, idiot.
Then why do you want to see them even more scared?
Begging the question fallacy again. Why do you keep fucking farm animals?
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Any sane, informed person would be scared to some degree. It doesn't stop any woman who thinks the reward is worth the risk. Since it's inherently dangerous, I'm a bit scared every time I drive my car. I still drive because the reward (freedom of movement) is worth the risk.
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I don't see you educating women on successful pregnancies at all.
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I mean, pregnancies have been occurring since the beginning of time.
So?
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You don't think women are aware of the risks?
Re-read. I just said most women are.
I don't think you're in tune with what women know at all.
Are you saying most women ~don't~ know the risks?
No, I said I don't think you are in tune with what women know at all.
How did you conclude that? I only made one statement about what women know, so it has to be based on that. Logically, that would mean you consider that statement incorrect.
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
If anything, campaign for choice. Don't "push" ~anything~. Let women decide for themselves if the risk is worth the reward. Get it
Women can decide for themselves now, what more do you want?
I want it to stay that way. I want better access to abortion so that a free choice can be made.
Ah, "better access to abortion". You're agenda is clear.
What's your point?
Just what I said, your agenda is clear.
What is the point of making such a statement? That's what I'm asking.
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
No, we should promote freedom of choice. You're just posing asinine questions because, as usual, you have no argument.
They have freedom of choice now, what more do you want?
Not if they don't have easy access.
What are you doing for women who don't want abortions?
What are you doing to help them?
Why do you keep asking questions when you aren't willing to accept my answer?
Because you're not answering.
False. Proven as such by your own quotes:

"Really? I don't believe that for a minute. I think your intentions are to scare women."

"I seriously doubt that."
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You're making a lot of noise and showing nothing for it.
You're just pissed that your fallaciously loaded questions didn't have the effect you hoped for. Poor Bob, always and ever a failure.
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
That's insane, but considering the source I guess it's just business as usual.
Women, and only women, should get to decide if they wish to accept and take those risks. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Women should and only women should have the choice to avoid parent hood, correct?
To avoid ~pregnancy and birth~.
Hence: avoid parenthood.
Nope, if all you want to do is avoid parenthood, you can give birth and adopt the kid out.
Right, you make it sound so easy.
Nothing I said indicates that.
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Once they are parents, they shouldn't be able to avoid parental responsibility. The child's interests come into play when there is a birth.
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If a woman doesn't want to have a child because she wants to continue her education, she and only she should have that luxury to walk away from the burden of being a mother by having an abortion...correct?
Being pregnant isn't motherhood. That comes into it after birth. If she is a mother, she can only walk away from the burden by adoption.
I take note of your total avoidance of my question.
I answered it it despite the fact that as posed, it was a loaded question fallacy.
No, you avoided it because you know I can easily trap you with your honest answer.
So you admit to trying to manipulate me with a fallaciously loaded question. I don't agree with the premise you put into that question, fool. I can only answer based on what I think is true, not what ~you~ think is true. Remove the false premise and ask again.

Like this; "she and only she should have that luxury to walk away from the burden of being pregnant by having an abortion...correct?"

To which the answer would be yes.
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That is, if you were honest enough to actually answer it. But like most cowards, you like to dance around questions.
False. Projectionist noise.
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It contained the false statement "she can walk away from the burden of being a mother by having an abortion" which you assumed I would accept.
What is false about it? She can walk away from it, by getting an abortion.
You can only walk away from parenthood if you're actually a parent, shitwit. Do you think pregnancy is the same thing as parenthood?
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Abortion isn't walking away from the burden of motherhood. Motherhood starts >when the kid is born. Abortion is walking away from the burden of pregnancy >and childbirth.
No, motherhood begins from the moment of conception.
Nonsense. Motherhood requires one to actually provide physical care and nurturing. A pregnant woman doesn't have to do that.
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She, along with her body, protects the fetus.
Involuntarily. She doesn't have to do anything but keep herself alive and healthy in order for the fetus to grow and thrive. Motherhood requires a lot more than that, tool.
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Yea, I know you will not call it a baby, a child, unborn, a human.
I don't care what you call it. I'm not concerned about semantics. So there's you, wrong again. Call it an unborn baby if you like.
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And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why.
You've never had an honest moment in your life. Call it anything you like.
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You, like any other rapist or serial killer,
Good grief. Now you're claiming I'm a rapist and a serial killer. You're the one who threatened somebody's life, clown. You seriously want to run with this latest outrageous example of scurrilous libel? You must be mentally disturbed.
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must dehumanize the fetus in order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
It does indeed kill a human, just not one with the capacity to be aware of itself. It doesn't know it's alive, has never had a life, so what's the harm in killing it?
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You think you're smart, but in reality...you're very stupid.
You don't know what I think. You don't read people well at all.
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
So let me get this straight. Unless I help every single pregnant woman I've ever met in some way, I have no right to post facts about the risks of pregnancy?
Logic has never been your friend.
You can post what you want and I'm challenging you on your phoney concern for women.
Where did I express said concern?
Don't worry, I know you don't care. That's my whole point. You're phoney.
If I didn't say I was concerned, it can't be "phoney" concern, oh logically-challenged one.
You're a phoney!!!
Repeating an already refuted claim and adding exclamation remarks doesn't make it true, silly child. Grow up.
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I posted facts.
Where are your facts about completely successful pregnancies?
Of course there are many successful pregnancies. So?
Why don't you talk about them? Why aren't you posting facts about them?
It's in the material I posted, wanker.
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We both know why, because you don't want to. It doesn't fit into your agenda.
We both know you're blowing smoke as per usual.
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You ignored the facts in favour of getting personal. Typical Sideshow Bob nonsense.
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I don't see you out there helping any women.
What a stupid remark. How how could you possibly?
It just starts by helping one, and going forward. What are you doing about it?
You haven't believed any of my answers, yet continue to ask. See any logical disconnect there?
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Are you?
Your attempts to get me to talk about my personal life fail.
Oh, lets remember that one.
Ooh, Bob's making an implied threat to use it against me sometime. As always, his attempt will fall flat.
Implied threat? You feel imminent danger by me saying "lets remember that one"?
What imminent danger am I posing to you in order for you to feel threatened?
A threat doesn't have to be about imminent danger, ignoramus. A threat is a statement of intention to do something negative. An implied threat is doing the same without stating it outright.
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It's merely a way of saying your own words will come back to show you're a liar and a hypocrite. How is that a threat?
Exactly, ass. You're threatening me that in future you intend to try to establish that, which you stupidly think I should be wary of. You'll fail, as always.
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Check your feelings.
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Whenever you've done this in the past you don't believe my answer, so what's the point in asking?
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Are you helping women get medical care?
Would you believe me if I answered you?
You have never given me reason to believe a word you say.
I'll try this slowly, so it might possibly penetrate;
why. do. you. keep. asking. me. questions. if. you. aren't. willing. to. believe. my. answers?
You've lied so much in the past it's impossible to believe you.
Such as....?
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I'm merely pointing out your behavior, your hypocrisy, and your willingness to be evasive.
You've been unable to establish that. Got anything new?
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You are concerned for women, right?
I'm concerned for people in general.
No, no...no you're not. You're only concerned with yourself and if people agree with you.
Why do you ask questions when you aren't willing to accept an answer? Is it just because you're logically challenged, or does the fact that you're an all-purpose jerk have something to do with it?.
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Or are you?
Isn't it idiots like you who ask people who oppose the choice of abortion, how many babies they adopt?
People ~like~ me? There's only one me, and I don't ask that.
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It's only fair to turn the tables, so stop crying about it.
1) I haven't even complained about it, much less cried.
ROFL
A tepid, phoned-in response, since you know I'm right but you don't have the balls to admit it.
Right, ok. Well you just go right on ahead and think that. I'll continue laughing at your comedy routine. You're funny.
What happened to you not wanting to speak to me?
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In fact, you didn't even give me a chance to respond in any way before you claimed I was "crying".
Are you really this dumb? It's not an act?
2) It's only fair to turn the tables on somebody who has actually said that to you. Since I didn't, go pound sand.
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How many women are you personally helping?
I have no idea how many women have been helped by my charitable contributions.
Love that "charitable contributions" part. And just how do you contribute charitably?
How does anyone do that, idiot? Strain that brain cell and figure it out.
How do you contribute?
Will you accept an answer?
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I'm not getting into details of my personal life and what I've done for people I know. Stop fishing for personal info.
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What are you doing to make sure they don't die?
The only thing I can personally do is contribute to charities which help women and children, which I do.
I seriously doubt that.
Once again, you ask a question when you aren't prepared to accept the answer.
Don't expect me to ever answer a question from you again, turd.
Did you miss this, Bob? How can you possibly expect me to answer another question?
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How many women have you saved?
Get real, Bobbo. I'm not a superhero.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
People who oppose the freedom of others to make reproductive choices, choices which include abortion.
People can oppose the choice and still support the freedom of having that choice.
Do you not understand this?
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Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
You're stupid. I do not support the choice to abort. But I totally support a woman having the right to choose what to do with her own body. I would not, and never have, and never would try to interfere with her decision and I know plenty of others who feel the same way.
If you mean you don't do anything to try to limit access to abortion, I have no problem with that.
And I should care if you have a problem or don't have a problem?
You brought it up, idiot. Why did you bring it up to me if you don't care what I have to say about it? You're unbelievable.
Here's what I suggest you do from now on if you truly don't care what I have to say; don't ask me a zillion questions about my POV. In fact, don't post to me at all if you don't want to hear what I have to say. That's what a sane person would do.
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As long as you don't try to influence women's decisions through shaming, harassment, manipulation, etc., I don't care.
Hmmm you never tried to harass, manipulate or shame anyone?
Asked and answered below.
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As long as you don't vote for, or state your support for, anti-choice political representatives, I don't care.
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You're assumption that I would "obviously support her being forced to give birth" is a totally stupid and ignorant baseless opinion.
Bob, you're getting defensive again.
Not at all, just pointing out your stupidity and false assumptions.
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"If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth."

Clearly, this isn't about you if you don't oppose her having the choice to abort.
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We've been talking theoretically here, not about you personally. If you aren't anti-choice, why do you assume the OP was directed at you?
No answer, Bobbo?
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You answer is....?
That you're stupid for thinking that at all.
Since you clearly don't know what I'm thinking, <yawn>.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
Bob, read back what you just wrote. If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth. Is there a third option besides giving birth or aborting?
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
See above. Answer my question, Bob. You ask a lot of rhetorical questions but never answer mine.
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You can ~personally~ oppose it by choosing not to do it yourself and still support the right of others to do it. But you're a dude, Bob. So "opposing the choice to abort" means you want to tell others what to do with their bodies. It's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
So you're saying that because I'm a "dude", if I say that I think abortion is wrong...I'm somehow telling others what to do with their bodies?
Depends on how you behave.
Oh, so now it's how one behaves. And you determine what is or isn't good behavior right? As long as we follow your rules, right?
Of course I get to determine what ~I~ consider good or bad behaviour, idiot. That's not obligatory on you. You don't care what I have to say about your behaviour, remember. Didn't you claim that, over and over?
No answer, Bob?
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If you try to prevent them from making that choice by shaming them and/or harassing them, then you are. If you don't try to interfere in any way, then no.
And you don't harass or try to shame people on anything, right?
I will lecture people about their bad personal conduct if I consider them deserving.
Lecture how? By name calling? Personal attacks? That's not attempts to intimidate? Attempts to harass? Attempts to shame?
Insults are only intimidation if you do it to somebody who is easily intimidated. Shaming is only possible to people who are capable of feeling shame for their actions. Harassment can only occur when your attentions are unwelcome. You posted to me, despite previously saying you didn't want any interaction with me. I'm willing to leave you alone if it's what you want. So what do you ~really~ want?
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Are you going to sit there and actually say you don't do these things?
I do insult people. So do you. And....?
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You don't throw personal attacks at people who are religious? Or conservative? Or support conservative ideas?
I don't do it simply because they are religious, conservative, etc. They have to behave like an asshole to earn a personal attack from me. Do you really believe you've done ~nothing~ to deserve any of the flak you get? If you genuinely believe that, you have a delusional mental illness. If you are in fact mentally ill, I'll leave you alone. Are you?
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I don't consider that harassment and I would guess that neither do you, since >you make lame attempts to do it yourself all the time. Since I only do it to >people who are, IMO, without the capacity to feel shame about their behaviour, >I wouldn't consider it shaming.
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Now stop being a coward and answer my question; it's none of your business what women do with their reproductive organs. Agree or not?
I agree, but that doesn't mean I can't speak about it.
Of course. It does mean you don't try to shame, manipulate or harass women about it.
And you don't try to shame, manipulate or harass men or women?
Nope. Are you saying I'm doing that to you?
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And you have the nerve to talk about faulty logic?
Since you're the one posting fallacious bullshit, yeah.
LOL says the one who has mad some "fallacious bullshit".
Only if you count your worthless strawmen as my actual position.
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Are you wanting to suppress my freedom of speech? Is that what this is all about?
Anything but. If you weren't free to speak, I wouldn't get the laughs.
Right back at you
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Are you saying that just because I'm a "dude" I shouldn't be able to speak my opinion on an issue that is not only a public issue but a highly debatable and political issue?
It's you who tries to stop people from speaking,
Oh? And when have I done this?
Do I really have to bring back that oft-repeated quote of yours about what you'd do to a guy for "running his mouth"?
Sure, I've said some things in the past. And I probably will again.
You admit you intend to threaten people with death or physical harm?
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And I'm sure you have too.
Then you're delusional. I have never threatened to physically harm or kill anybody. I'm not a serial killer or a rapist as you have falsely claimed, nutjob.
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But here is something I noticed about you, that shows your hypocrisy. When people have made threats to me, where were you to question them?
Answer: nowhere
I quite literally wasn't there, Bob. Never saw any such threat. Probably wasn't even posting here then.
You're so ridiculously self-absorbed you expect me to know everything that's ever been said to you in thousands of posts?
If somebody threatened you with harm, that was wrong. You're an asshole, but you don't deserve to be physically attacked for it.

Hypocrisy is the preaching of principles that one does not follow, you ignorant rube. I think threats of harm are wrong so I do not make them. That does not obligate me to know about and respond to every threat ever made. It doesn't even obligate me to give a shit about other people making threats. It obligates me only to not make them. Get it? So stop bawling about threats I don't know or care about, infant.
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When people lied about me, about my life, family, or career; where were you to question them?
Answer: Nowhere
Exactly. I wasn't there. The fact that I think it's wrong to lie about people doesn't obligate me to know and care about every such lie ever posted. Get it?
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You see? You only pick and choose people whom you disagree with to attack.
Only the ones who are assholes. Example; Attila is a right winger. I'm civil with Attila because Attila doesn't behave like an asshole. You, OTOH, do. There are assholes I don't nail. That's because I don't find them entertaining and I don't have time to nail every asshole on usenet. There are thousands of asshole posts and only one of me. Understand?
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If they are a part of your ilk, like the ostrich, you turn and look the other way.
Why would I go after somebody who hasn't been an asshole to me? You were, so you went on my list. You want off it?
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That makes you a hypocrite.
You don't know the meaning of that word, Bob. A hypocrite preaches principles that he/she does not follow. Have I preached about that we should respond to every person the same way?
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Bob. You do that by threatening them physically.
Have I threatened you physically because you are speaking?
You threatened me for saying things to you which you didn't like and you know it.
I'm sure a lot of people have threatened you. You're the kind of person who would look for trouble and probably find it.
So by your own reasoning, you also deserved the threat you got.
If you think people deserve physical threats just for flaming, you deserve them too, you amoral piece of shit.
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You did it to me and you've done it to others.
I've not threatened anyone for speaking.
Deliberate, outright lie. You know full well what you said about what you'd do to somebody for "running his mouth". You threatened his life.
I do recall one time, after that same person made the same exact threat towards me in a previous conversation.
You don't remember saying you would beat me up if I came to Delaware?
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Yes, conversation and just two people saying the same thing back and forth to each other. Would I in reality? No, I wouldn't. Now, if someone were to come at me, and threaten me or attempt to bring harm...well, I will do what I got to do then. But in a silly newsgroup, no. You or no one else is worth that.
So you admit your threats are phoney. Nothing but bully-boy bluster. I figured as much, but it doesn't absolve you. If you say you're sorry for threatening me and the other person I'll let it go.
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Do I really have to bring back that quote, which you've seen many times re-posted by Silent Otto, Echo, etc? Are you really going to continue to brazen it out in the face of that?
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Of course you should be able to speak. Just don't expect people to respect your POV.
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And if I do, then somehow in your warped mind I'm now telling someone what to do with their body?
See above.
I think YOU need to see above.
Seen it, dealt with it.
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When did I ever tell a woman what to do with her body, simply because I say I think abortion is wrong?
Hmmm..... perhaps in that infamous post when you ranted about how "real women" don't have abortions?
Ok, so I said that. That's an opinion. Not telling women what to do with their bodies. A woman can do what ever she wants with her body. That doesn't mean I have to support her choice.
If such rants aren't meant to influence women, what is the purpose of them?
What's the purpose of some of your rants?
I asked you first, coward. Stop evading.
I post to entertain myself and hopefully others as well. I have no illusions about influencing anybody.
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I bet you think you don't have any, don't you?
Wrong again. Getting tired of being wrong yet?
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Trying to shame women for making that choice is telling them what to do.
I'm not telling women what to do moron.
Not in so many words,
Exactly...so don't try to say I am.
I didn't, turd. Don't try to say I've killed or raped people, filth.
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Just end it there because when you said "not in so many words" that shows that you try to alter or change meaning in what people say. That's just dishonest.
Nope. I was quite clear that as long as the effect is the same, the words you choose don't matter to me. We agree you did not literally say "women, do what I say!" We just don't agree about what the intended purpose of opposition to abortion is. You call it "dishonest" or "a lie" whenever somebody has an opinion you don't like.
Then you have the gall to post despicable libel, claiming I'm a serial killer and a rapist. You're scum, Heishman. Why are you so full of hate that you'd say such things?
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but when you try to influence them via bullying tactics, the effect is the >same. The fact that you're oblique and sneaky about it doesn't absolve you, it >just proves you don't have the courage of your convictions.
Check your feelings.
Non-responsive. Address the point.
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If you really respect their right to choose, you don't try to make them feel >bad about themselves.
You have no room to talk about respecting others, since you're incapable of doing the same. You can't respect anyone who has a different opinion than yours without you attacking them personally.
Historical revision and hypocrisy noted. I did treat you respectfully back in the day,
Lie
Must I really go back into the archives and prove it, Bob? So tedious. You know I can do it, so why do you pretend?
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Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.
Ooh, I'm all a-tingle with anticipation. What happened to your previous insistence that you weren't interested in talking to me?
No answer, Bob?
Didn't care to. Got a problem with it?
Were too cowardly to, ...
Nope, just don't care enough about you to entertain your question.
Learn that
Then you have no standing to whine about supposed unanswered questions, twit.
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This is the core of Lefty's argument, and it should be noted that Sideshow Bob and AssNole both completely disregard this reality. And since both of them are male and thus never have to face these considerable risks, it's way past facile for them to constantly ignore or downplay this reality.
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"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
It's not a lot of fun. And in some parts of the world now, and all of the world not so very long ago, complications of pregnancy and childbirth was THE leading killer of women.
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
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Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I
blahblahblah Booby knows what you're thinking! He knows when you've been bad or good ...
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No, you need to check how you read into things. You hear and read what you want to hear and read. That's just how you are.
Pot/Kettle/Black Standard Oopsey bullshit that doesn't even rise to the level of sophism.
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So you're saying you didn't insult me and didn't ask bizarre rhetorical questions instead of responding directly to what I posted?
Well, he doesn't edit anything and the posts go on and on and on ...
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Why do you keep asking questions when you aren't willing to accept an answer?
Because you're not answering.
That's untrue, Bob. I answer and you say you don't believe me. Re-post;
Classic Oopsey "I know you are but what am I?" reasoning. I mean, he's even dumber than a contrarian.
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"Really? I don't believe that for a minute. I think your intentions are to scare women."
"I seriously doubt that."
Well, doncha know, Oopsey knows your innermost thoughts. He knows all about everyone. Just ask him. He knows your intent. God, can an adult be allowed to run around free with the sort of brain damaged yammering he does? I mean, how much more evidence does the AG of Delaware need to put a psych hold on him? Esp after he got his fat pimpled butt paddled by the DoC for misusing their computer system.
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Then why do you want to see them even more scared?
Begging the question fallacy again. Why do you keep fucking farm animals?
Way over his head.

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Are you saying most women ~don't~ know the risks?
No, I said I don't think you are in tune with what women know at all.
How did you conclude that? I only made one statement about what women know, so it has to be based on that. Logically, that would mean you consider that statement incorrect.
Not only does Oopsey know what you think, he knows what all women know, too!

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What's your point?> >
Just what I said, your agenda is clear.>
What is the point of making such a statement? That's what I'm asking.
Oopsey? With a point? come on now.

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I answered it it despite the fact that as posed, it was a loaded question fallacy.
No, you avoided it because you know I can easily trap you with your honest answer.
So you admit to trying to manipulate me with a fallaciously loaded question.
Way over his head.

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No, motherhood begins from the moment of conception.
Nonsense. Motherhood requires one to actually provide physical care and nurturing. A pregnant woman doesn't have to do that.
He thinks of women like Xlotl tanks maybe. And conception isn't the beginning of pregnancy, since most fertilized ova don't even implant, and since pregnancy is defined as beginning at implantation, it's just another example of the insanity of the antiabortnik agenda.
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You, like any other rapist or serial killer,
Good grief. Now you're claiming I'm a rapist and a serial killer. You're the one who threatened somebody's life, clown. You seriously want to run with this latest outrageous example of scurrilous libel? You must be mentally disturbed.
Oh, hell, remember him "proving" Patrick H had a criminal record? and his numerous claims that he KNEW and had PROOF I had a "criminal background" and I have yet to see any proof at all ... and since criminal records are public ... well ...
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must dehumanize the fetus in order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
It does indeed kill a human, just not one with the capacity to be aware of itself. It doesn't know it's alive, has never had a life, so what's the harm in killing it?
And it is causing the woman a great deal of harm and physical pain. Just because there is no "intent" that doesn't mean the harm is not real, nor does it mean that the woman has no right to self defense.

And we kill human beings, by omission or comisson, by the millions every year, I simply don't get the concern over an unwanted fetus.
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You think you're smart, but in reality...you're very stupid.
You don't know what I think. You don't read people well at all.
Teeheee
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
This is more proof that Booby should just kill himself. He doesn't seem to realize that pregnancy, childbirth, and all medical care is COVERED already by our government? And that about half of the births in the usa are funded by taxpayers? Yup. All MediCal. And then we're on the hook for free medical care to raise the welfare babies, who grow up to be gangbangers and teen parents ... lather, rinse, repeat ... it's not like it's any big secret about taxpayer funded medical care for pregnant women and children. they all get it. One wonders why know all see all OopseyWhoopsey doesn't know about those programs.

snip crap about how we have to talk about "successful pregnancies" as if it's relevant. As if we don't hear about that all the time ... really ...

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If you mean you don't do anything to try to limit access to abortion, I have no problem with that.
And I should care if you have a problem or don't have a problem?
You brought it up, idiot. Why did you bring it up to me if you don't care what I have to say about it? You're unbelievable.
Yeah, it's like reading something written by a 10 year old whose moral development and ability to reason hasn't, and probably won't, develop. He just tosses out contrarian babble and a lot of red herrings. And that's when he's trying to sound reasonable. When he goes on his rampages, you know when he posts and posts and posts and rants and rants and rants and then disappears for a while, then sneaks back in.
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Here's what I suggest you do from now on if you truly don't care what I have to say; don't ask me a zillion questions about my POV. In fact, don't post to me at all if you don't want to hear what I have to say. That's what a sane person would do.
Or, better yet, since he has indicated he doesn't care what anyone who is willing to "associate" with him in here, one wonders why he just didn't stay out of the ng forever like he promised he would.
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As long as you don't try to influence women's decisions through shaming, harassment, manipulation, etc., I don't care.
Hmmm you never tried to harass, manipulate or shame anyone?
What's that got to do with what was being discussed?
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Asked and answered below.
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As long as you don't vote for, or state your support for, anti-choice political representatives, I don't care.
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You're assumption that I would "obviously support her being forced to give birth" is a totally stupid and ignorant baseless opinion.
Bob, you're getting defensive again.
Not at all, just pointing out your stupidity and false assumptions.
<sigh>
Re-post;
"If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth."
Clearly, this isn't about you if you don't oppose her having the choice to abort.
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We've been talking theoretically here, not about you personally. If you aren't anti-choice, why do you assume the OP was directed at you?
No answer, Bobbo?
What can he answer?

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Lecture how? By name calling? Personal attacks? That's not attempts to intimidate? Attempts to harass? Attempts to shame?
Insults are only intimidation if you do it to somebody who is easily intimidated. Shaming is only possible to people who are capable of feeling shame for their actions. Harassment can only occur when your attentions are unwelcome. You posted to me, despite previously saying you didn't want any interaction with me. I'm willing to leave you alone if it's what you want. So what do you ~really~ want?
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Are you going to sit there and actually say you don't do these things?
I do insult people. So do you. And....?
Oh, he goes a little past insults, to libel and threats, over the years. All documented, even the posts he deletes are stored. And he deletes a lot of posts. For cause.
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You don't throw personal attacks at people who are religious? Or conservative? Or support conservative ideas?
I don't do it simply because they are religious, conservative, etc. They have to behave like an asshole to earn a personal attack from me. Do you really believe you've done ~nothing~ to deserve any of the flak you get? If you genuinely believe that, you have a delusional mental illness. If you are in fact mentally ill, I'll leave you alone. Are you?
I think he's just mean and stupid. Not smart enough to be mentally ill.

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Do I really have to bring back that oft-repeated quote of yours about what you'd do to a guy for "running his mouth"?
Sure, I've said some things in the past. And I probably will again.
Which is why he was advised some years back to officially leave the ng and to announce he was doing so.
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You admit you intend to threaten people with death or physical harm?
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And I'm sure you have too.
Then you're delusional. I have never threatened to physically harm or kill anybody. I'm not a serial killer or a rapist as you have falsely claimed, nutjob.
And I'm still waiting for him to prove I've ever been arrested, let alone convicted of a crime.
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But here is something I noticed about you, that shows your hypocrisy. When people have made threats to me, where were you to question them?
Answer: nowhere
I quite literally wasn't there, Bob. Never saw any such threat. Probably wasn't even posting here then.
No one has threatened him in the years I've been reading his posts. Not in this ng anyway.
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You're so ridiculously self-absorbed you expect me to know everything that's ever been said to you in thousands of posts?
If somebody threatened you with harm, that was wrong. You're an asshole, but you don't deserve to be physically attacked for it.
Oh, he just can't stand the taste of his own medicine. He accuses others of being criminals, or being mentally ill, abusing their child, but if you say anything mean about him he cries like a figure skater.
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Hypocrisy is the preaching of principles that one does not follow, you ignorant rube. I think threats of harm are wrong so I do not make them. That does not obligate me to know about and respond to every threat ever made. It doesn't even obligate me to give a shit about other people making threats. It obligates me only to not make them. Get it? So stop bawling about threats I don't know or care about, infant.
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When people lied about me, about my life, family, or career; where were you to question them?
Oh, here we go again .. but the thing is, he set himself up for that. By bringing all his personal info, and to put it mildly, exaggerating his "attributes" he left himself wide open, and he got hit like a wallowing garbage scow used for target practice. He even told me and others to tell his alleged employers about his misconduct, and when I, and presumably, others, did so, it was terribly funny to watch him try to tapdance out of the mess he made.
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Answer: Nowhere
Exactly. I wasn't there. The fact that I think it's wrong to lie about people doesn't obligate me to know and care about every such lie ever posted. Get it?
He demands "proof" such as proving the Null Hypothesis. He told us we had to prove his claims were false, he didn't have to prove them correct. Etc.
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You see? You only pick and choose people whom you disagree with to attack.
Only the ones who are assholes. Example; Attila is a right winger. I'm civil with Attila because Attila doesn't behave like an asshole. You, OTOH, do. There are assholes I don't nail. That's because I don't find them entertaining and I don't have time to nail every asshole on usenet. There are thousands of asshole posts and only one of me. Understand?
Good point. There are plenty of folks I just don't agree with on most issues. Like Barry Goldwater. Who was adamantly prochoice. So, if BG posted here about abortion, and didn't bring in other issues I would not disagree with him. You know I do vote for plenty of GOP candidates. All of them are mavericks on a lot of GOP dogma. And since most of the NoCal demoncrats are just GOP hags flying false colors, and they vote with the right wingers, I tend to now judge not so much party label as what you support and what you actually do in office.
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If they are a part of your ilk, like the ostrich, you turn and look the other way.
Why would I go after somebody who hasn't been an asshole to me? You were, so you went on my list. You want off it?
he's ilking out again .. .he may even "ploink" someone
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That makes you a hypocrite.
You don't know the meaning of that word, Bob. A hypocrite preaches principles that he/she does not follow. Have I preached about that we should respond to every person the same way?
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I'm sure a lot of people have threatened you. You're the kind of person who would look for trouble and probably find it.
So by your own reasoning, you also deserved the threat you got.
If you think people deserve physical threats just for flaming, you deserve them too, you amoral piece of shit.
I don't remember anyone actually threatening Heishman, even when he had threatened them, but I didn't read all his posts. Like PV, esp when there is no editing for content.

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I do recall one time, after that same person made the same exact threat towards me in a previous conversation.
You don't remember saying you would beat me up if I came to Delaware?
Oh, he did that to everybody he got in a beef with. As if any of us had any reason or desire to see that wretched little state.
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Yes, conversation and just two people saying the same thing back and forth to each other. Would I in reality? No, I wouldn't. Now, if someone were to come at me, and threaten me or attempt to bring harm...well, I will do what I got to do then. But in a silly newsgroup, no. You or no one else is worth that.
So you admit your threats are phoney. Nothing but bully-boy bluster. I figured as much, but it doesn't absolve you. If you say you're sorry for threatening me and the other person I'll let it go.
His "apologies" like the one he made to Gwen tend to be "I'm sorry YOU ARE SO WRONG ABOUT ME ..."

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Nope. I was quite clear that as long as the effect is the same, the words you choose don't matter to me. We agree you did not literally say "women, do what I say!" We just don't agree about what the intended purpose of opposition to abortion is. You call it "dishonest" or "a lie" whenever somebody has an opinion you don't like.
Bingo! And he insists his opinions are facts, and you prove his claims false, and when he gets cornered he yaps about how he's got a right to express his feelings or some such shit. Or he didn't really mean it, he "misspoke" like when he claimed to be a combat soldier.

I've never seen him offer any credible sources, either. But he's fond of demanding you provide them, and then will attack the source. It's like fighting the Black Knight.
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Then you have the gall to post despicable libel, claiming I'm a serial killer and a rapist. You're scum, Heishman. Why are you so full of hate that you'd say such things?
Because he's a short, fat, ugly, stupid bald little fuck who regrets his mother didn't abort and he's gotta take that out on the entire world. Esp women.
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Nope, just don't care enough about you to entertain your question.
Learn that
Then you have no standing to whine about supposed unanswered questions, twit.
Happy Samhain, y'all!
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This is the core of Lefty's argument, and it should be noted that Sideshow Bob and AssNole both completely disregard this reality. And since both of them are male and thus never have to face these considerable risks, it's way past facile for them to constantly ignore or downplay this reality.
Agreed. They are both scum in my book, so it's expected.
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"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
It's not a lot of fun. And in some parts of the world now, and all of the world not so very long ago, complications of pregnancy and childbirth was THE leading killer of women.
Indeed. It goes beyond that, too. There's an inherent risk to health. Many women have lasting, even lifelong health problems due to pregnancy, such as depression.
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
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Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I
blahblahblah Booby knows what you're thinking! He knows when you've been bad or good ...
The arrogance of that prick!
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No, you need to check how you read into things. You hear and read what you want to hear and read. That's just how you are.
Pot/Kettle/Black Standard Oopsey bullshit that doesn't even rise to the level of sophism.
Yes, he likes to play psychologist. He has no understanding of human psychology.
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So you're saying you didn't insult me and didn't ask bizarre rhetorical questions instead of responding directly to what I posted?
Well, he doesn't edit anything and the posts go on and on and on ...
Yep, he forgets what he's said.
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Why do you keep asking questions when you aren't willing to accept an answer?
Because you're not answering.
That's untrue, Bob. I answer and you say you don't believe me. Re-post;
Classic Oopsey "I know you are but what am I?" reasoning. I mean, he's even dumber than a contrarian.
Even a child knows better than to expect answers to questions when they aren't willing to accept an answer.

Heishman as a child:

Bob- "Mommy, why can't I have more candy?"

Mom- "Because it rots your teeth."

Bob- "Liar! You lied! That's a lie!!!!"

<stomping feet, getting red in the face>

Then he asks again, five minutes later.
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"Really? I don't believe that for a minute. I think your intentions are to scare women."
"I seriously doubt that."
Well, doncha know, Oopsey knows your innermost thoughts. He knows all about everyone. Just ask him. He knows your intent. God, can an adult be allowed to run around free with the sort of brain damaged yammering he does? I mean, how much more evidence does the AG of Delaware need to put a psych hold on him? Esp after he got his fat pimpled butt paddled by the DoC for misusing their computer system.
He'll deny that. Anybody who has dealt with him would know it's fully in character for him to have done it, yet he goes postal if anybody believes it.
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Then why do you want to see them even more scared?
Begging the question fallacy again. Why do you keep fucking farm animals?
Way over his head.
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Are you saying most women ~don't~ know the risks?
No, I said I don't think you are in tune with what women know at all.
How did you conclude that? I only made one statement about what women know, so it has to be based on that. Logically, that would mean you consider that statement incorrect.
Not only does Oopsey know what you think, he knows what all women know, too!
Imagine being his wife. <shudder>
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What's your point?> >
Just what I said, your agenda is clear.>
What is the point of making such a statement? That's what I'm asking.
Oopsey? With a point? come on now.
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I answered it it despite the fact that as posed, it was a loaded question fallacy.
No, you avoided it because you know I can easily trap you with your honest answer.
So you admit to trying to manipulate me with a fallaciously loaded question.
Way over his head.
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No, motherhood begins from the moment of conception.
Nonsense. Motherhood requires one to actually provide physical care and nurturing. A pregnant woman doesn't have to do that.
He thinks of women like Xlotl tanks maybe. And conception isn't the beginning of pregnancy, since most fertilized ova don't even implant, and since pregnancy is defined as beginning at implantation, it's just another example of the insanity of the antiabortnik agenda.
Agreed.
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You, like any other rapist or serial killer,
Good grief. Now you're claiming I'm a rapist and a serial killer. You're the one who threatened somebody's life, clown. You seriously want to run with this latest outrageous example of scurrilous libel? You must be mentally disturbed.
Oh, hell, remember him "proving" Patrick H had a criminal record? and his numerous claims that he KNEW and had PROOF I had a "criminal background" and I have yet to see any proof at all ... and since criminal records are public ... well ...
I never saw that, but it's totally in character. Despicable.
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must dehumanize the fetus in order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
It does indeed kill a human, just not one with the capacity to be aware of itself. It doesn't know it's alive, has never had a life, so what's the harm in killing it?
And it is causing the woman a great deal of harm and physical pain. Just because there is no "intent" that doesn't mean the harm is not real, nor does it mean that the woman has no right to self defense.
Agreed. Only she gets to decide what she can deal with. Not assholes telling her she should be able to deal with the effects of pregnancy.
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And we kill human beings, by omission or comisson, by the millions every year, I simply don't get the concern over an unwanted fetus.
Indeed.
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You think you're smart, but in reality...you're very stupid.
You don't know what I think. You don't read people well at all.
Teeheee
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
This is more proof that Booby should just kill himself. He doesn't seem to realize that pregnancy, childbirth, and all medical care is COVERED already by our government? And that about half of the births in the usa are funded by taxpayers? Yup. All MediCal. And then we're on the hook for free medical care to raise the welfare babies, who grow up to be gangbangers and teen parents ... lather, rinse, repeat ... it's not like it's any big secret about taxpayer funded medical care for pregnant women and children. they all get it. One wonders why know all see all OopseyWhoopsey doesn't know about those programs.
Yep. I'm in Canada. Abortion is covered by provincial health plans which my taxes fund.
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If you mean you don't do anything to try to limit access to abortion, I have no problem with that.
And I should care if you have a problem or don't have a problem?
You brought it up, idiot. Why did you bring it up to me if you don't care what I have to say about it? You're unbelievable.
Yeah, it's like reading something written by a 10 year old whose moral development and ability to reason hasn't, and probably won't, develop. He just tosses out contrarian babble and a lot of red herrings. And that's when he's trying to sound reasonable. When he goes on his rampages, you know when he posts and posts and posts and rants and rants and rants and then disappears for a while, then sneaks back in.
He said he will make threats of physical harm in the future, too. Severe anger management issues.
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Here's what I suggest you do from now on if you truly don't care what I have to say; don't ask me a zillion questions about my POV. In fact, don't post to me at all if you don't want to hear what I have to say. That's what a sane person would do.
Or, better yet, since he has indicated he doesn't care what anyone who is willing to "associate" with him in here, one wonders why he just didn't stay out of the ng forever like he promised he would.
I'd be a bit sad. He's amusing. But then I'd think about it and be glad he wasn't around to threaten and libel people.
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As long as you don't try to influence women's decisions through shaming, harassment, manipulation, etc., I don't care.
Hmmm you never tried to harass, manipulate or shame anyone?
What's that got to do with what was being discussed?
The turd is trying to claim me insulting him is morally equivalent to trying to harass, shame, and manipulate women about their reproductive decisions. It shows how utterly vacant he is both intellectually and morally.
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Asked and answered below.
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As long as you don't vote for, or state your support for, anti-choice political representatives, I don't care.
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You're assumption that I would "obviously support her being forced to give birth" is a totally stupid and ignorant baseless opinion.
Bob, you're getting defensive again.
Not at all, just pointing out your stupidity and false assumptions.
<sigh>
Re-post;
"If you oppose her having the choice to abort, obviously you support her being forced to give birth."
Clearly, this isn't about you if you don't oppose her having the choice to abort.
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We've been talking theoretically here, not about you personally. If you aren't anti-choice, why do you assume the OP was directed at you?
No answer, Bobbo?
What can he answer?
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Lecture how? By name calling? Personal attacks? That's not attempts to intimidate? Attempts to harass? Attempts to shame?
Insults are only intimidation if you do it to somebody who is easily intimidated. Shaming is only possible to people who are capable of feeling shame for their actions. Harassment can only occur when your attentions are unwelcome. You posted to me, despite previously saying you didn't want any interaction with me. I'm willing to leave you alone if it's what you want. So what do you ~really~ want?
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Are you going to sit there and actually say you don't do these things?
I do insult people. So do you. And....?
Oh, he goes a little past insults, to libel and threats, over the years. All documented, even the posts he deletes are stored. And he deletes a lot of posts. For cause.
I noticed a lot of deletes in old threads dealing with him when I was doing a search awhile back.
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You don't throw personal attacks at people who are religious? Or conservative? Or support conservative ideas?
I don't do it simply because they are religious, conservative, etc. They have to behave like an asshole to earn a personal attack from me. Do you really believe you've done ~nothing~ to deserve any of the flak you get? If you genuinely believe that, you have a delusional mental illness. If you are in fact mentally ill, I'll leave you alone. Are you?
I think he's just mean and stupid. Not smart enough to be mentally ill.
That's what I've always thought.
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Do I really have to bring back that oft-repeated quote of yours about what you'd do to a guy for "running his mouth"?
Sure, I've said some things in the past. And I probably will again.
Which is why he was advised some years back to officially leave the ng and to announce he was doing so.
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You admit you intend to threaten people with death or physical harm?
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And I'm sure you have too.
Then you're delusional. I have never threatened to physically harm or kill anybody. I'm not a serial killer or a rapist as you have falsely claimed, nutjob.
And I'm still waiting for him to prove I've ever been arrested, let alone convicted of a crime.
What an arrogant blowhard. He actually thinks he can get away with this shit.
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But here is something I noticed about you, that shows your hypocrisy. When people have made threats to me, where were you to question them?
Answer: nowhere
I quite literally wasn't there, Bob. Never saw any such threat. Probably wasn't even posting here then.
No one has threatened him in the years I've been reading his posts. Not in this ng anyway.
That's what I suspected. Unless he can prove it, it's got about a 98% chance of being bullshit. Nobody believes this clown. You'd think he'd get the memo.
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You're so ridiculously self-absorbed you expect me to know everything that's ever been said to you in thousands of posts?
If somebody threatened you with harm, that was wrong. You're an asshole, but you don't deserve to be physically attacked for it.
Oh, he just can't stand the taste of his own medicine. He accuses others of being criminals, or being mentally ill, abusing their child, but if you say anything mean about him he cries like a figure skater.
Self-righteous, self-absorbed, whiny narcissist.
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Hypocrisy is the preaching of principles that one does not follow, you ignorant rube. I think threats of harm are wrong so I do not make them. That does not obligate me to know about and respond to every threat ever made. It doesn't even obligate me to give a shit about other people making threats. It obligates me only to not make them. Get it? So stop bawling about threats I don't know or care about, infant.
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When people lied about me, about my life, family, or career; where were you to question them?
Oh, here we go again .. but the thing is, he set himself up for that. By bringing all his personal info, and to put it mildly, exaggerating his "attributes" he left himself wide open, and he got hit like a wallowing garbage scow used for target practice. He even told me and others to tell his alleged employers about his misconduct, and when I, and presumably, others, did so, it was terribly funny to watch him try to tapdance out of the mess he made.
I'm sorry I missed that. Damn!
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Answer: Nowhere
Exactly. I wasn't there. The fact that I think it's wrong to lie about people doesn't obligate me to know and care about every such lie ever posted. Get it?
He demands "proof" such as proving the Null Hypothesis. He told us we had to prove his claims were false, he didn't have to prove them correct. Etc.
Yes, he does that all the time. He also demands others take the responsibility to prove or disprove his claims by spending hours, days, weeks in searching for one alleged post among many thousands.
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You see? You only pick and choose people whom you disagree with to attack.
Only the ones who are assholes. Example; Attila is a right winger. I'm civil with Attila because Attila doesn't behave like an asshole. You, OTOH, do. There are assholes I don't nail. That's because I don't find them entertaining and I don't have time to nail every asshole on usenet. There are thousands of asshole posts and only one of me. Understand?
Good point. There are plenty of folks I just don't agree with on most issues. Like Barry Goldwater. Who was adamantly prochoice. So, if BG posted here about abortion, and didn't bring in other issues I would not disagree with him. You know I do vote for plenty of GOP candidates. All of them are mavericks on a lot of GOP dogma. And since most of the NoCal demoncrats are just GOP hags flying false colors, and they vote with the right wingers, I tend to now judge not so much party label as what you support and what you actually do in office.
I didn't know you ever voted GOP. I don't have much respect for either party.
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If they are a part of your ilk, like the ostrich, you turn and look the other way.
Why would I go after somebody who hasn't been an asshole to me? You were, so you went on my list. You want off it?
he's ilking out again .. .he may even "ploink" someone
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That makes you a hypocrite.
You don't know the meaning of that word, Bob. A hypocrite preaches principles that he/she does not follow. Have I preached about that we should respond to every person the same way?
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I'm sure a lot of people have threatened you. You're the kind of person who would look for trouble and probably find it.
So by your own reasoning, you also deserved the threat you got.
If you think people deserve physical threats just for flaming, you deserve them too, you amoral piece of shit.
I don't remember anyone actually threatening Heishman, even when he had threatened them, but I didn't read all his posts. Like PV, esp when there is no editing for content.
It matters not a whit if he can't prove it. I don't take his word for anything.
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I do recall one time, after that same person made the same exact threat towards me in a previous conversation.
You don't remember saying you would beat me up if I came to Delaware?
Oh, he did that to everybody he got in a beef with. As if any of us had any reason or desire to see that wretched little state.
And to meet him. Gross!
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Yes, conversation and just two people saying the same thing back and forth to each other. Would I in reality? No, I wouldn't. Now, if someone were to come at me, and threaten me or attempt to bring harm...well, I will do what I got to do then. But in a silly newsgroup, no. You or no one else is worth that.
So you admit your threats are phoney. Nothing but bully-boy bluster. I figured as much, but it doesn't absolve you. If you say you're sorry for threatening me and the other person I'll let it go.
His "apologies" like the one he made to Gwen tend to be "I'm sorry YOU ARE SO WRONG ABOUT ME ..."
That deserves a rare LOL. He's hilarious.
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Nope. I was quite clear that as long as the effect is the same, the words you choose don't matter to me. We agree you did not literally say "women, do what I say!" We just don't agree about what the intended purpose of opposition to abortion is. You call it "dishonest" or "a lie" whenever somebody has an opinion you don't like.
Bingo! And he insists his opinions are facts, and you prove his claims false, and when he gets cornered he yaps about how he's got a right to express his feelings or some such shit. Or he didn't really mean it, he "misspoke" like when he claimed to be a combat soldier.
I have seen that one. I don't believe his claim that he "used the wrong words".
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I've never seen him offer any credible sources, either. But he's fond of demanding you provide them, and then will attack the source. It's like fighting the Black Knight.
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Then you have the gall to post despicable libel, claiming I'm a serial killer and a rapist. You're scum, Heishman. Why are you so full of hate that you'd say such things?
Because he's a short, fat, ugly, stupid bald little fuck who regrets his mother didn't abort and he's gotta take that out on the entire world. Esp women.
Makes me want to write a country song called "Short, Fat, Bald Motherfucker". Country music suits his redneck persona.
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Nope, just don't care enough about you to entertain your question.
Learn that
Then you have no standing to whine about supposed unanswered questions, twit.
Happy Samhain, y'all!
Have a good night.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.

But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.

"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.

You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?

The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.

What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.

I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?

Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.

That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?

Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.

That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?

Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.

That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.

It's "anti-choicers", like you.

"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.

Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.

"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Lets really be clear on what you're saying here. Be prepared for many more questions.
I'm sure you'll have many baseless claims to throw out in order to divert attention away from this. As this is your M.O.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.

Liberals are liars.
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You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie? Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
Why are you lying?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?

Heh heh....
l***@yahoo.ca
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your position on that issue?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Liberals are liars.
Says the most prolific liar on usenet.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
IOW, you have no argument. What else is new.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
Because ~not every woman~ is going to die, dolt. In the first world, very few will actually die. There is a need to inform young girls about the risks so they can make an informed decision when they become sexually active. Seriously, how can you be this clueless?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
It is dangerous. So is driving. So is getting on a plane. People need to know the risks of everything they do. Do you object to informing people about risks?
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Bullshit. He quoted you, then provided his interpretation of that quote. You're free to explain how it could be taken to mean something else.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
According to the source I posted, that's 6% of pregnancies. Read it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you making that available?
Already done. Read the material I posted.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
Begging the question noted. You do that a lot.
Nobody is saying you aren't free to have an opinion, crybaby. Do you think that freedom includes the right to never be challenged?
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
6%, says my source. Your response to that is...?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you making that available?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
I'm guessing it would be because he thinks they're assholes. He would be right about that.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
<sigh>
When did you stop beating your wife?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
Why are you lying?
Feel free to provide context and explain.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You never voted for or supported a candidate who was in favor of restricting access to abortion? You never stated support of any measure that would remove the means by which women can obtain an abortion?
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
You can explain, surely. Why don't you just do that?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Heh heh....
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Liberals are liars.
Says the most prolific liar on usenet.
Says the liar.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
IOW, you have no argument. What else is new.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
Because ~not every woman~ is going to die, dolt.
But yet, you don't talk about the successful pregnancies. You don't talk about the women who do fine. You don't talk about ways to help women have healthy pregnancies at all. All you do is talk about the risks and dangers. To listen to idiots like you, you would think all women are going to die.
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In the first world, very few will actually die. There is a need to inform young girls about the risks so they can make an informed decision when they become sexually active. Seriously, how can you be this clueless?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
It is dangerous. So is driving. So is getting on a plane. People need to know the risks of everything they do. Do you object to informing people about risks?
What do you do to help women though? What do you do to personally help women have healthy pregnancies?
Posting in a newsgroup is nothing.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Bullshit. He quoted you,
Really? Did you see the entire conversation? No, you didn't.
I can pick and choose some words you say, and "quote" you. And I can say it means anything, which is what he is doing.
You're not demanding to see the context at all. You're looking at five words taken from a conversation and otto applying them to something else.

You're not fact checking at all. You immediately jumped to the conclusion that because he used quotation marks, that it must be true.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
then provided his interpretation of that quote. You're free to explain how it could be taken to mean something else.
As I said, you can go back and search this for yourself. This was from a conversation we had a very long time ago, and those words he is using to quote me, didn't apply to what he is saying.

And frankly I don't have time to sit here and scroll through thousands of conversations.
If you want to, go ahead.

BUT...

You've already shown you don't fact check.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
According to the source I posted, that's 6% of pregnancies. Read it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you making that available?
Already done. Read the material I posted.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
Begging the question noted. You do that a lot.
Nobody is saying you aren't free to have an opinion, crybaby. Do you think that freedom includes the right to never be challenged?
Fact is, you don't truly respect choice.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
6%, says my source. Your response to that is...?
6% sounds WAY WAY WAY too low.

So you're saying that 94% of all women who get pregnant have serious complications or die?
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you making that available?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
I'm guessing it would be because he thinks they're assholes. He would be right about that.
So, that shows and proves what I said. You don't support freedom of choice.
UNLESS it is line with your choice. If it isn't, you call them assholes.

Thus proving what I said about you all along.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
<sigh>
When did you stop beating your wife?
Ah the "When did you stop beating your wife?" routine.

When did you stop raping little children?
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
Why are you lying?
Feel free to provide context and explain.
Don't have too. If you truly cared about facts, you would have attempted on your own to go look up the conversation.
But you didn't.
You immediately showed your bias and your willingness to believe things without proof.

No posting information
Five words

nothing...

And you believed it.

Never fact checked.
Never challenged it.
Never asked for a posting ID number or anything.

So please, don't tell me you believe in facts. You don't. Unless the facts line up with your agenda.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You never voted for or supported a candidate who was in favor of restricting access to abortion? You never stated support of any measure that would remove the means by which women can obtain an abortion?
Do you think I base my vote and/or support on abortion alone? Do you think that is the only issue that is important?

Here is a clue. I've voted for people on both sides. I don't base my one vote on one issue. No candidate, and I mean NO candidate, is going to have issues that you agree with 100%.

The only measure that I've said that I would support that removes a woman from getting an abortion is this.

I support measures that stop late term abortions.

Now..here is where you get dishonest. You will take that one sentence alone and run with it. Here is the part you would leave out.

I support measures that stop late term abortions WITH THE EXCEPTION of if a woman's life is in harms way.

If a fetus is viable and her health is good and she is not in harms way due to the pregnancy, I support measures that will protect the fetus at that point.

Now, you will run with it.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
You can explain, surely. Why don't you just do that?
Why don't you fact check on your own?

Why do you blindly believe anything that is typed solely because it comes from someone within your ilk?

You believed Elizabeth for a long time, and I called you on it. UNTIL, I provided the proof she was lying with a news article.

That shows that you really don't go for facts at all. It shows that you're willing to blindly follow some people. Even when they don't provide sources. Such as in this case.
No source.
Five words cut out

And you took it...hook, line, and sinker.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Heh heh....
S***@hotmail.com
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Yea...

It was hashed out.

I pointed out that you're a forced birther and you whined like one of
Joni Ernst's castrated pigs.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Liberals are liars.
Says the most prolific liar on usenet.
Says the liar.
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You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
IOW, you have no argument. What else is new.
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What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
Because ~not every woman~ is going to die, dolt.
But yet, you don't talk about the successful pregnancies. You don't talk about the women who do fine. You don't talk about ways to help women have healthy pregnancies at all. All you do is talk about the risks and dangers. To listen to idiots like you, you would think all women are going to die.
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In the first world, very few will actually die. There is a need to inform young girls about the risks so they can make an informed decision when they become sexually active. Seriously, how can you be this clueless?
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Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
It is dangerous. So is driving. So is getting on a plane. People need to know the risks of everything they do. Do you object to informing people about risks?
What do you do to help women though? What do you do to personally help women have healthy pregnancies?
Posting in a newsgroup is nothing.
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I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Bullshit. He quoted you,
Really? Did you see the entire conversation? No, you didn't.
I can pick and choose some words you say, and "quote" you. And I can say it means anything, which is what he is doing.
You're not demanding to see the context at all. You're looking at five words taken from a conversation and otto applying them to something else.
You're not fact checking at all. You immediately jumped to the conclusion that because he used quotation marks, that it must be true.
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then provided his interpretation of that quote. You're free to explain how it could be taken to mean something else.
As I said, you can go back and search this for yourself. This was from a conversation we had a very long time ago, and those words he is using to quote me, didn't apply to what he is saying.
And frankly I don't have time to sit here and scroll through thousands of conversations.
If you want to, go ahead.
BUT...
You've already shown you don't fact check.
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
According to the source I posted, that's 6% of pregnancies. Read it.
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Are you making that available?
Already done. Read the material I posted.
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That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
Begging the question noted. You do that a lot.
Nobody is saying you aren't free to have an opinion, crybaby. Do you think that freedom includes the right to never be challenged?
Fact is, you don't truly respect choice.
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
6%, says my source. Your response to that is...?
6% sounds WAY WAY WAY too low.
So you're saying that 94% of all women who get pregnant have serious complications or die?
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Are you making that available?
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That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
I'm guessing it would be because he thinks they're assholes. He would be right about that.
So, that shows and proves what I said. You don't support freedom of choice.
UNLESS it is line with your choice. If it isn't, you call them assholes.
Thus proving what I said about you all along.
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Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
<sigh>
When did you stop beating your wife?
Ah the "When did you stop beating your wife?" routine.
When did you stop raping little children?
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
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"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
Why are you lying?
Feel free to provide context and explain.
Don't have too. If you truly cared about facts, you would have attempted on your own to go look up the conversation.
But you didn't.
You immediately showed your bias and your willingness to believe things without proof.
No posting information
Five words
nothing...
And you believed it.
Never fact checked.
Never challenged it.
Never asked for a posting ID number or anything.
So please, don't tell me you believe in facts. You don't. Unless the facts line up with your agenda.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You never voted for or supported a candidate who was in favor of restricting access to abortion? You never stated support of any measure that would remove the means by which women can obtain an abortion?
Do you think I base my vote and/or support on abortion alone? Do you think that is the only issue that is important?
Here is a clue. I've voted for people on both sides. I don't base my one vote on one issue. No candidate, and I mean NO candidate, is going to have issues that you agree with 100%.
The only measure that I've said that I would support that removes a woman from getting an abortion is this.
I support measures that stop late term abortions.
Now..here is where you get dishonest. You will take that one sentence alone and run with it. Here is the part you would leave out.
I support measures that stop late term abortions WITH THE EXCEPTION of if a woman's life is in harms way.
If a fetus is viable and her health is good and she is not in harms way due to the pregnancy, I support measures that will protect the fetus at that point.
Now, you will run with it.
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
You can explain, surely. Why don't you just do that?
Why don't you fact check on your own?
Why do you blindly believe anything that is typed solely because it comes from someone within your ilk?
You believed Elizabeth for a long time, and I called you on it. UNTIL, I provided the proof she was lying with a news article.
That shows that you really don't go for facts at all. It shows that you're willing to blindly follow some people. Even when they don't provide sources. Such as in this case.
No source.
Five words cut out
And you took it...hook, line, and sinker.
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Heh heh....
c***@comcast.net
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Yea...
It was hashed out.
I pointed out that you're a forced birther and you whined like one of
Joni Ernst's castrated pigs.
No, all you've demonstrated is that you do have mental illness issues that you should get treatment for.

I understand and realize that people such as yourself and lefty, have a need to use made up terms to grab at emotions. Your intent is to anger. But as lefty would say, it's meant to harass, shame, or attack.
I'm sure lefty though, being perfect like he is (in his mind maybe) wouldn't DARE do that.

The fact is, I was referring to doctors having admission rights. And you can follow along that entire thread and see where I told you that NUMEROUS times. I told you many times that I was NOT referring to abortion laws or any restrictions, I was referring to a statement made about doctors having admission rights.

Now, do I expect you to be honest? No, I don't.
Do I expect lefty to be honest about this? No, I don't.

But anyone who does wish to seek facts or check for themselves, I encourage them to follow your link to that conversation and read it for themselves and all the follow ups.
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Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Liberals are liars.
Says the most prolific liar on usenet.
Says the liar.
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You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
IOW, you have no argument. What else is new.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
Because ~not every woman~ is going to die, dolt.
But yet, you don't talk about the successful pregnancies. You don't talk about the women who do fine. You don't talk about ways to help women have healthy pregnancies at all. All you do is talk about the risks and dangers. To listen to idiots like you, you would think all women are going to die.
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In the first world, very few will actually die. There is a need to inform young girls about the risks so they can make an informed decision when they become sexually active. Seriously, how can you be this clueless?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
It is dangerous. So is driving. So is getting on a plane. People need to know the risks of everything they do. Do you object to informing people about risks?
What do you do to help women though? What do you do to personally help women have healthy pregnancies?
Posting in a newsgroup is nothing.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
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I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Bullshit. He quoted you,
Really? Did you see the entire conversation? No, you didn't.
I can pick and choose some words you say, and "quote" you. And I can say it means anything, which is what he is doing.
You're not demanding to see the context at all. You're looking at five words taken from a conversation and otto applying them to something else.
You're not fact checking at all. You immediately jumped to the conclusion that because he used quotation marks, that it must be true.
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then provided his interpretation of that quote. You're free to explain how it could be taken to mean something else.
As I said, you can go back and search this for yourself. This was from a conversation we had a very long time ago, and those words he is using to quote me, didn't apply to what he is saying.
And frankly I don't have time to sit here and scroll through thousands of conversations.
If you want to, go ahead.
BUT...
You've already shown you don't fact check.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
According to the source I posted, that's 6% of pregnancies. Read it.
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Are you making that available?
Already done. Read the material I posted.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
Begging the question noted. You do that a lot.
Nobody is saying you aren't free to have an opinion, crybaby. Do you think that freedom includes the right to never be challenged?
Fact is, you don't truly respect choice.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
6%, says my source. Your response to that is...?
6% sounds WAY WAY WAY too low.
So you're saying that 94% of all women who get pregnant have serious complications or die?
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Are you making that available?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
I'm guessing it would be because he thinks they're assholes. He would be right about that.
So, that shows and proves what I said. You don't support freedom of choice.
UNLESS it is line with your choice. If it isn't, you call them assholes.
Thus proving what I said about you all along.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
<sigh>
When did you stop beating your wife?
Ah the "When did you stop beating your wife?" routine.
When did you stop raping little children?
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
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"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
Why are you lying?
Feel free to provide context and explain.
Don't have too. If you truly cared about facts, you would have attempted on your own to go look up the conversation.
But you didn't.
You immediately showed your bias and your willingness to believe things without proof.
No posting information
Five words
nothing...
And you believed it.
Never fact checked.
Never challenged it.
Never asked for a posting ID number or anything.
So please, don't tell me you believe in facts. You don't. Unless the facts line up with your agenda.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You never voted for or supported a candidate who was in favor of restricting access to abortion? You never stated support of any measure that would remove the means by which women can obtain an abortion?
Do you think I base my vote and/or support on abortion alone? Do you think that is the only issue that is important?
Here is a clue. I've voted for people on both sides. I don't base my one vote on one issue. No candidate, and I mean NO candidate, is going to have issues that you agree with 100%.
The only measure that I've said that I would support that removes a woman from getting an abortion is this.
I support measures that stop late term abortions.
Now..here is where you get dishonest. You will take that one sentence alone and run with it. Here is the part you would leave out.
I support measures that stop late term abortions WITH THE EXCEPTION of if a woman's life is in harms way.
If a fetus is viable and her health is good and she is not in harms way due to the pregnancy, I support measures that will protect the fetus at that point.
Now, you will run with it.
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
You can explain, surely. Why don't you just do that?
Why don't you fact check on your own?
Why do you blindly believe anything that is typed solely because it comes from someone within your ilk?
You believed Elizabeth for a long time, and I called you on it. UNTIL, I provided the proof she was lying with a news article.
That shows that you really don't go for facts at all. It shows that you're willing to blindly follow some people. Even when they don't provide sources. Such as in this case.
No source.
Five words cut out
And you took it...hook, line, and sinker.
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Heh heh....
elizabeth
2014-11-01 02:24:03 UTC
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On Friday, October 31, 2014 4:09:52 PM UTC-7, ***@comcast.net wrote:
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No, all you've demonstrated is that you do have mental illness issues that you should get treatment for.
Another online Dx by "Dr" Oopsey! Who despite having no educational or professional cred to make a Dx, he does it again! And that's just based on reading a post, not doing a proper exam!
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I understand and realize that people such as yourself and lefty, have a need to use made up terms to grab at emotions. Your intent is to anger. But as lefty would say, it's meant to harass, shame, or attack.
I'm sure lefty though, being perfect like he is (in his mind maybe) wouldn't DARE do that.
You know, it IS a sign of mental illness to insist you objectively know they subjective emotions and motives of someone you've never even met ...

Just kill yourself, Robert "J" Heishman.
Planet Visitor II
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No, all you've demonstrated is that you do have mental illness issues that you should get treatment for.
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Just kill yourself, Robert "J" Heishman.
ROTFLMAO... When all is lost... "kill the messenger." The motto of the "pro-abortion
lynch mob."


Planet Visitor II
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Yea...
It was hashed out.
I pointed out that you're a forced birther and you whined like one of
Joni Ernst's castrated pigs.
No, all you've demonstrated is that you do have mental illness issues that you should get treatment for.
I already understand that you rightards have a very tenuous grasp on
reality, rightard.

Hence this discussion...
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I understand and realize that people such as yourself and lefty, have a need to use made up terms to grab at emotions. Your intent is to anger. But as lefty would say, it's meant to harass, shame, or attack.
Shame is the one.

And, you rightards should be ashamed at the way you try to impose your
values on everyone else.

I know you don't like being called a forced birther, but a forced
birther you are.
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I'm sure lefty though, being perfect like he is (in his mind maybe) wouldn't DARE do that.
The fact is, I was referring to doctors having admission rights. And you can follow along that entire thread and see where I told you that NUMEROUS times. I told you many times that I was NOT referring to abortion laws or any restrictions, I was referring to a statement made about doctors having admission rights.
Doctors having admitting rights is the clause in the law that
Mississippi, and now other states, are using to close down women's
health care clinics, rightard.

Doctors having admitting rights IS an abortion law and a restriction.

Did you get that rightard?

DOCTORS HAVING ADMITTING RIGHTS IS AN ABORTION LAW AND A RESTRICTION.

You CAN'T separate supporting this clause in the law from the right to
access an abortion, as you're trying to do.

They're the SAME THING.

The clause was specifically included in the TRAP law to have the
precise effect that it's having.

The officials in Mississippi are well aware of the effect that clause
is having.

It was deliberate and intentional.

As I pointed out at the time, one of the writers of the law plainly
said that the intent of the law was to MAKE ABORTION UNOBTAINABLE IN
MISSISSIPPI.

Further, they recently argued in court that making abortion illegal in
Mississippi wasn't burdensome to Mississippi women because they could
always go to another state to have an abortion.

How many times do I have to repeat that before it penetrates your
thick skull and gets into your teeny, tiny rightard brain?

YOU support that law and restriction.

You are a forced birther.

Case closed.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Now, do I expect you to be honest? No, I don't.
Do I expect lefty to be honest about this? No, I don't.
But anyone who does wish to seek facts or check for themselves, I encourage them to follow your link to that conversation and read it for themselves and all the follow ups.
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Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Liberals are liars.
Says the most prolific liar on usenet.
Says the liar.
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You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
IOW, you have no argument. What else is new.
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What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
Because ~not every woman~ is going to die, dolt.
But yet, you don't talk about the successful pregnancies. You don't talk about the women who do fine. You don't talk about ways to help women have healthy pregnancies at all. All you do is talk about the risks and dangers. To listen to idiots like you, you would think all women are going to die.
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In the first world, very few will actually die. There is a need to inform young girls about the risks so they can make an informed decision when they become sexually active. Seriously, how can you be this clueless?
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Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
It is dangerous. So is driving. So is getting on a plane. People need to know the risks of everything they do. Do you object to informing people about risks?
What do you do to help women though? What do you do to personally help women have healthy pregnancies?
Posting in a newsgroup is nothing.
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I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Bullshit. He quoted you,
Really? Did you see the entire conversation? No, you didn't.
I can pick and choose some words you say, and "quote" you. And I can say it means anything, which is what he is doing.
You're not demanding to see the context at all. You're looking at five words taken from a conversation and otto applying them to something else.
You're not fact checking at all. You immediately jumped to the conclusion that because he used quotation marks, that it must be true.
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then provided his interpretation of that quote. You're free to explain how it could be taken to mean something else.
As I said, you can go back and search this for yourself. This was from a conversation we had a very long time ago, and those words he is using to quote me, didn't apply to what he is saying.
And frankly I don't have time to sit here and scroll through thousands of conversations.
If you want to, go ahead.
BUT...
You've already shown you don't fact check.
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
According to the source I posted, that's 6% of pregnancies. Read it.
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Are you making that available?
Already done. Read the material I posted.
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That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
Begging the question noted. You do that a lot.
Nobody is saying you aren't free to have an opinion, crybaby. Do you think that freedom includes the right to never be challenged?
Fact is, you don't truly respect choice.
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
6%, says my source. Your response to that is...?
6% sounds WAY WAY WAY too low.
So you're saying that 94% of all women who get pregnant have serious complications or die?
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Are you making that available?
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That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
I'm guessing it would be because he thinks they're assholes. He would be right about that.
So, that shows and proves what I said. You don't support freedom of choice.
UNLESS it is line with your choice. If it isn't, you call them assholes.
Thus proving what I said about you all along.
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Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
<sigh>
When did you stop beating your wife?
Ah the "When did you stop beating your wife?" routine.
When did you stop raping little children?
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
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"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
Why are you lying?
Feel free to provide context and explain.
Don't have too. If you truly cared about facts, you would have attempted on your own to go look up the conversation.
But you didn't.
You immediately showed your bias and your willingness to believe things without proof.
No posting information
Five words
nothing...
And you believed it.
Never fact checked.
Never challenged it.
Never asked for a posting ID number or anything.
So please, don't tell me you believe in facts. You don't. Unless the facts line up with your agenda.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You never voted for or supported a candidate who was in favor of restricting access to abortion? You never stated support of any measure that would remove the means by which women can obtain an abortion?
Do you think I base my vote and/or support on abortion alone? Do you think that is the only issue that is important?
Here is a clue. I've voted for people on both sides. I don't base my one vote on one issue. No candidate, and I mean NO candidate, is going to have issues that you agree with 100%.
The only measure that I've said that I would support that removes a woman from getting an abortion is this.
I support measures that stop late term abortions.
Now..here is where you get dishonest. You will take that one sentence alone and run with it. Here is the part you would leave out.
I support measures that stop late term abortions WITH THE EXCEPTION of if a woman's life is in harms way.
If a fetus is viable and her health is good and she is not in harms way due to the pregnancy, I support measures that will protect the fetus at that point.
Now, you will run with it.
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
You can explain, surely. Why don't you just do that?
Why don't you fact check on your own?
Why do you blindly believe anything that is typed solely because it comes from someone within your ilk?
You believed Elizabeth for a long time, and I called you on it. UNTIL, I provided the proof she was lying with a news article.
That shows that you really don't go for facts at all. It shows that you're willing to blindly follow some people. Even when they don't provide sources. Such as in this case.
No source.
Five words cut out
And you took it...hook, line, and sinker.
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Heh heh....
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
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Liberals are liars.
Says the most prolific liar on usenet.
Says the liar.
Weak, Bob. What lie have I told?
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You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
IOW, you have no argument. What else is new.
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What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
Because ~not every woman~ is going to die, dolt.
But yet, you don't talk about the successful pregnancies.
Why am I obligated to talk about that? Read the info I posted.
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You don't talk about the women who do fine.
Read the info I posted, idiot.
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You don't talk about ways to help women have healthy pregnancies at all.
It's in the info I posted, babbling loon.
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All you do is talk about the risks and dangers. To listen to idiots like you, you would think all women are going to die.
Take note of what I said below.

Re-post;
"In the first world, very few will actually die."
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In the first world, very few will actually die. There is a need to inform young girls about the risks so they can make an informed decision when they become sexually active. Seriously, how can you be this clueless?
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Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
It is dangerous. So is driving. So is getting on a plane. People need to know the risks of everything they do. Do you object to informing people about risks?
What do you do to help women though? What do you do to personally help women have healthy pregnancies?
Asked and answered. You refused to believe my answer. Stop asking me the same stupid questions when you know you aren't willing to accept an answer.
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Posting in a newsgroup is nothing.
I have not claimed I'm helping any woman with her pregnancy by posting in a newsgroup, chump.
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I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Bullshit. He quoted you,
Really? Did you see the entire conversation? No, you didn't.
That's. Why. I. Asked. For. Context. You refuse to provide it. Why?
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I can pick and choose some words you say, and "quote" you. And I can say it means anything, which is what he is doing.
I understand that, which is why I asked you to explain.
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You're not demanding to see the context at all. You're looking at five words taken from a conversation and otto applying them to something else.
I'm nor ~demanding~ anything. I'm asking for context and an explanation. If you refuse to provide it, that could indicate you have something to hide.
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You're not fact checking at all. You immediately jumped to the conclusion that because he used quotation marks, that it must be true.
I assumed the quote was real because you never said it wasn't. I asked you to explain what it meant. It really isn't that complicated. What is your problem, besides the fact that you're a whiny, self-righteous bitch?
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then provided his interpretation of that quote. You're free to explain how it could be taken to mean something else.
As I said, you can go back and search this for yourself. This was from a conversation we had a very long time ago, and those words he is using to quote me, didn't apply to what he is saying.
So how in the hell am I supposed to find it if it was long ago and you have no additional info for it, you ridiculous man?
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And frankly I don't have time to sit here and scroll through thousands of conversations.
Neither do I, asshat. It's ~your~ claim, not mine. You said Otto was lying. Prove it or fuck off.
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If you want to, go ahead.
I don't. Provide additional info or STFU.
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BUT...
You've already shown you don't fact check.
False. You've shown you aren't willing to give me one iota of info to assist me in the fact checking you are demanding I do. That tells me that you have something to hide.
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
According to the source I posted, that's 6% of pregnancies. Read it.
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Are you making that available?
Read the OP, numbnuts. All this blather about the point of my posting the OP, and you didn't even read the OP? You're a joke.
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Already done. Read the material I posted.
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That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
Begging the question noted. You do that a lot.
Nobody is saying you aren't free to have an opinion, crybaby. Do you think that freedom includes the right to never be challenged?
Fact is, you don't truly respect choice.
False. Facts are objective and can be proven. You can't prove I feel a certain way. You can't possibly know how I feel. Stop trying to claim your opinions are fact.
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
6%, says my source. Your response to that is...?
6% sounds WAY WAY WAY too low.
The source didn't say they were all life-threatening or even serious complications.
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So you're saying that 94% of all women who get pregnant have serious complications or die?
No, the material doesn't say that. Read it. It says that 94% had complications.
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Are you making that available?
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That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
I'm guessing it would be because he thinks they're assholes. He would be right about that.
So, that shows and proves what I said. You don't support freedom of choice.
Shows nothing of the kind.
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UNLESS it is line with your choice. If it isn't, you call them assholes.
Nope. Depends entirely on what it is. There's no choice a person can make which you think means that person is an asshole?

For example, I don't like BDSM. I don't think people who choose to engage in it are assholes for doing so. Get it?
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Thus proving what I said about you all along.
Thus proving you full of shit as usual.
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Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
<sigh>
When did you stop beating your wife?
Ah the "When did you stop beating your wife?" routine.
When did you stop raping little children?
You don't get the point, obviously. Loaded question fallacy. Look it up.
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
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"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
Why are you lying?
Feel free to provide context and explain.
Don't have too. If you truly cared about facts, you would have attempted on your own to go look up the conversation.
Idiot, I'd need additional info to do that. Date of post? Name of thread? Which group?
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But you didn't.
Idiot, I can't check thousands of posts over the fuck knows how many years you've been blithering here. Approximate date? Name of thread?
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You immediately showed your bias and your willingness to believe things without proof.
You immediately show your self-absorbed expectation that I'll spend weeks on end combing through thousands of posts. You are obligated to prove your claims. I am not.
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No posting information
Five words
nothing...
And you believed it.
Who says I believed it? I have no opinion on it.
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Never fact checked.
Never challenged it.
Never asked for a posting ID number or anything.
I asked you for the context. You petulantly refuse to provide it and demand that I somehow find one post among thousands. Are you really going to try to claim I'm obligated to spend countless hours of my time to try to prove your statements for you?
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So please, don't tell me you believe in facts. You don't. Unless the facts line up with your agenda.
Ludicrous. Provide the info I need to form my opinion and stop mewling. I am not obligated to comb through years of posts for you.

If you continue to refuse to provide that info, it's reasonable to assume you don't want me to find it and see the truth.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You never voted for or supported a candidate who was in favor of restricting access to abortion? You never stated support of any measure that would remove the means by which women can obtain an abortion?
Do you think I base my vote and/or support on abortion alone? Do you think that is the only issue that is important?
I think that if it is important ~to you~ for women to have reproductive choice, you won't vote for a candidate who wants to remove access to abortion. The same goes for any other issue that is important to you.
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Here is a clue. I've voted for people on both sides. I don't base my one vote on one issue. No candidate, and I mean NO candidate, is going to have issues that you agree with 100%.
Agreed, but I consider that important so would never vote for such a person. YMMV.
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The only measure that I've said that I would support that removes a woman from getting an abortion is this.
I support measures that stop late term abortions.
Now..here is where you get dishonest. You will take that one sentence alone and run with it. Here is the part you would leave out.
Looks like another of your predictions failed miserably.
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I support measures that stop late term abortions WITH THE EXCEPTION of if a woman's life is in harms way.
What late term abortions not done to protect the woman? They hardly ever happen, so it's a non-issue.
Every pregnancy is a potential threat to the life and health of the woman. She is always in harm's way.
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If a fetus is viable and her health is good and she is not in harms way due to the pregnancy, I support measures that will protect the fetus at that point.
Now, you will run with it.
No, I don't even disagree about late term abortions. They aren't safe and providers don't do them without a compelling reason. That's just another reason to improve access. If a woman has to wait to get an abortion because there's not enough access in her area, the inevitable result is it is too late for a safe abortion. This happens in rural areas without access to abortion services.

So you were wrong again, Bob. Try some honey mustard on that foot.
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
You can explain, surely. Why don't you just do that?
Why don't you fact check on your own?
Because I have no idea when and where the conversation was, stupid. You expect me to check every post ever written, for fuck's sake? Provide additional info or I'll just assume you're lying again.
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Why do you blindly believe anything that is typed solely because it comes from someone within your ilk?
Why do you molest ferrets?
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You believed Elizabeth for a long time, and I called you on it. UNTIL, I provided the proof she was lying with a news article.
Are you talking about the claim that you got fired? I never believed that. Can you provide a post where I said I did? The first time I ever spoke about it was after reading that article, idiot. So if I have the decency to speak up and correct something that I believe is inaccurate about you, you find a way to whine about that, too. You're not right in the head. I'll never bother to speak up on your behalf again.
You do it to yourself, Bob. All of it.
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That shows that you really don't go for facts at all. It shows that you're willing to blindly follow some people. Even when they don't provide sources. Such as in this case.
No source.
Five words cut out
And you took it...hook, line, and sinker.
Provide the info I need to find it and shut your fat yob, you temper-tossing goon.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings. There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Now, if you can't do that. Don't cry about it.
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Liberals are liars.
Says the most prolific liar on usenet.
Says the liar.
Weak, Bob. What lie have I told?
You've told many many many lies. You're so dishonest you can't even tell the difference any longer.
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You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
IOW, you have no argument. What else is new.
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What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
Because ~not every woman~ is going to die, dolt.
But yet, you don't talk about the successful pregnancies.
Why am I obligated to talk about that? Read the info I posted.
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You don't talk about the women who do fine.
Read the info I posted, idiot.
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You don't talk about ways to help women have healthy pregnancies at all.
It's in the info I posted, babbling loon.
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All you do is talk about the risks and dangers. To listen to idiots like you, you would think all women are going to die.
Take note of what I said below.
Re-post;
"In the first world, very few will actually die."
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In the first world, very few will actually die. There is a need to inform young girls about the risks so they can make an informed decision when they become sexually active. Seriously, how can you be this clueless?
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Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
It is dangerous. So is driving. So is getting on a plane. People need to know the risks of everything they do. Do you object to informing people about risks?
What do you do to help women though? What do you do to personally help women have healthy pregnancies?
Asked and answered. You refused to believe my answer. Stop asking me the same stupid questions when you know you aren't willing to accept an answer.
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Posting in a newsgroup is nothing.
I have not claimed I'm helping any woman with her pregnancy by posting in a newsgroup, chump.
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I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Bullshit. He quoted you,
Really? Did you see the entire conversation? No, you didn't.
That's. Why. I. Asked. For. Context. You refuse to provide it. Why?
No, you didn't ask for it.
You jumped immediately and said he provided quotes. "Bullshit. He quoted you,"
You never asked. Do you see a question in those quotes?
You just lied again.
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I can pick and choose some words you say, and "quote" you. And I can say it means anything, which is what he is doing.
I understand that, which is why I asked you to explain.
I explained it up above. I will not explain it again.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
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The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
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Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.

Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
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Now, if you can't do that. Don't cry about it.
Can, but choose not to, since it's ~your~ responsibility to prove your claims. You say Otto lied. Prove it or I'll just have to write it off as another of your outlandish bullshit accusations.
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Liberals are liars.
Says the most prolific liar on usenet.
Says the liar.
Weak, Bob. What lie have I told?
You've told many many many lies. You're so dishonest you can't even tell the difference any longer.
Provide quotes of me lying, Bob. Can't do it? Then shut the fuck up.
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You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
IOW, you have no argument. What else is new.
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What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
Because ~not every woman~ is going to die, dolt.
But yet, you don't talk about the successful pregnancies.
Why am I obligated to talk about that? Read the info I posted.
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You don't talk about the women who do fine.
Read the info I posted, idiot.
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You don't talk about ways to help women have healthy pregnancies at all.
It's in the info I posted, babbling loon.
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All you do is talk about the risks and dangers. To listen to idiots like you, you would think all women are going to die.
Take note of what I said below.
Re-post;
"In the first world, very few will actually die."
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In the first world, very few will actually die. There is a need to inform young girls about the risks so they can make an informed decision when they become sexually active. Seriously, how can you be this clueless?
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Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
It is dangerous. So is driving. So is getting on a plane. People need to know the risks of everything they do. Do you object to informing people about risks?
What do you do to help women though? What do you do to personally help women have healthy pregnancies?
Asked and answered. You refused to believe my answer. Stop asking me the same stupid questions when you know you aren't willing to accept an answer.
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Posting in a newsgroup is nothing.
I have not claimed I'm helping any woman with her pregnancy by posting in a newsgroup, chump.
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I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Bullshit. He quoted you,
Disgusting liar and moral coward Bob Heishman removed the rest of this quote. I'll restore it;

"Bullshit. He quoted you, then provided his interpretation of that quote. You're free to explain how it could be taken to mean something else."
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Really? Did you see the entire conversation? No, you didn't.
That's. Why. I. Asked. For. Context. You refuse to provide it. Why?
No, you didn't ask for it.
Absolute, blatant lie. Quotes that prove it, from my original response to your post to Otto:

First;

"Feel free to provide context and explain."

Further on in the post;

"So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your position on that issue?"

Further on;

"Bullshit. He quoted you, then provided his interpretation of that quote. You're free to explain how it could be taken to mean something else."

Pathetic, Bob. You're absolutely pathetic.
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You jumped immediately and said he provided quotes. "Bullshit. He quoted you,"
Outrageous unintentional irony noted. You took ~that~ out of context, you miserable worm.

Full quote;
"Bullshit. He quoted you, then provided his interpretation of that quote. You're free to explain how it could be taken to mean something else."
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You never asked.
Proven a lie.
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Do you see a question in those quotes?
Quote;
"What is your position on that issue?"

I gave you your chance. You didn't take it. You don't get to lie and say I never asked your position or requested context, scum.
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You just lied again.
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I can pick and choose some words you say, and "quote" you. And I can say it means anything, which is what he is doing.
Funny, you did exactly that above.
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I understand that, which is why I asked you to explain.
I explained it up above. I will not explain it again.
That's not true. Goes without saying, when dealing with you.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
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The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
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Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.

For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
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I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
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The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
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Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
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I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Notice how Heishman cut -all- the quotes where you proved he's a lying
sack of shit?

Notice the blustery retreat with -no- clarification at all?

Here's the post in question:

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=..

Read it and see for yourself that there is no possible interpretation
of what Heishman wrote that doesn't leave him a lying liar and a
forced birther.

Neither was there any clarification as he claimed... only a denial
that supporting the requirement that doctors have admitting privileges
at local hospitals, as he did when he wrote "Which they should." and
thus preventing them from practicing and preventing women from
accessing them for an abortion, is the same as preventing women from
accessing abortion.

Or, in other words...

He seems to think that preventing women from accessing an abortion
isn't the same as preventing a woman from having an abortion.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
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The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
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I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Notice how Heishman cut -all- the quotes where you proved he's a lying
sack of shit?
Notice the blustery retreat with -no- clarification at all?
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=..
Read it and see for yourself that there is no possible interpretation
of what Heishman wrote that doesn't leave him a lying liar and a
forced birther.
Neither was there any clarification as he claimed... only a denial
that supporting the requirement that doctors have admitting privileges
at local hospitals, as he did when he wrote "Which they should." and
thus preventing them from practicing and preventing women from
accessing them for an abortion, is the same as preventing women from
accessing abortion.
Or, in other words...
He seems to think that preventing women from accessing an abortion
isn't the same as preventing a woman from having an abortion.
I'm just curious. Does it hurt much? I mean, you having to harbor on to things for so long and be so desperate? Does it hurt a lot?
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
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The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
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I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Notice how Heishman cut -all- the quotes where you proved he's a lying
sack of shit?
Notice the blustery retreat with -no- clarification at all?
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=..
Read it and see for yourself that there is no possible interpretation
of what Heishman wrote that doesn't leave him a lying liar and a
forced birther.
Neither was there any clarification as he claimed... only a denial
that supporting the requirement that doctors have admitting privileges
at local hospitals, as he did when he wrote "Which they should." and
thus preventing them from practicing and preventing women from
accessing them for an abortion, is the same as preventing women from
accessing abortion.
Or, in other words...
He seems to think that preventing women from accessing an abortion
isn't the same as preventing a woman from having an abortion.
I'm just curious. Does it hurt much? I mean, you having to harbor on to things for so long and be so desperate? Does it hurt a lot?
Yes, how does it feel, Heishman, to be smacked down at your job, dragged into an inquiry, banned from using their computer system, having to delete most of your posts for legal reasons, promising to leave forever, yet be as unwilling to quit as any toss up in a crack house? Ask your first daughter, the one you bailed on, who is a single mother, what it's like.
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<clip lizzy, the vulgar, sadistic, creepy, and bloodthirsty baby murderer, obsessing over
Heishman>

Oops... nothing left.

Why do you hate the Jews, lizzy??

Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
yellow-eyed, sagging jowl, anti-Semitic, Holocaust denying loser.


Planet Visitor II
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
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The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
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I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Notice how Heishman cut -all- the quotes where you proved he's a lying
sack of shit?
Notice the blustery retreat with -no- clarification at all?
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=..
Read it and see for yourself that there is no possible interpretation
of what Heishman wrote that doesn't leave him a lying liar and a
forced birther.
Neither was there any clarification as he claimed... only a denial
that supporting the requirement that doctors have admitting privileges
at local hospitals, as he did when he wrote "Which they should." and
thus preventing them from practicing and preventing women from
accessing them for an abortion, is the same as preventing women from
accessing abortion.
Or, in other words...
He seems to think that preventing women from accessing an abortion
isn't the same as preventing a woman from having an abortion.
I'm just curious. Does it hurt much? I mean, you having to harbor on to things for so long and be so desperate? Does it hurt a lot?
No, rightard.

Bitch slapping stupid, lying, rightard forced birthers, like you, is
very satisfying.

If you want this to end, all you have to do is admit that you're a
forced birther.

And, the reason you have to make such and admission is because you
-are- a forced birther.

Lying about it won't help you.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
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The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
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I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Notice how Heishman cut -all- the quotes where you proved he's a lying
sack of shit?
Notice the blustery retreat with -no- clarification at all?
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=..
Read it and see for yourself that there is no possible interpretation
of what Heishman wrote that doesn't leave him a lying liar and a
forced birther.
Neither was there any clarification as he claimed... only a denial
that supporting the requirement that doctors have admitting privileges
at local hospitals, as he did when he wrote "Which they should." and
thus preventing them from practicing and preventing women from
accessing them for an abortion, is the same as preventing women from
accessing abortion.
Or, in other words...
He seems to think that preventing women from accessing an abortion
isn't the same as preventing a woman from having an abortion.
I'm just curious. Does it hurt much? I mean, you having to harbor on to things for so long and be so desperate? Does it hurt a lot?
No, rightard.
Well, you would have to have a conscious in order to feel anything. So it probably doesn't hurt that you're left with nothing else.
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Bitch slapping stupid, lying, rightard forced birthers, like you, is
very satisfying.
That's right, go on with your bad self now. You're left with nothing else to do but act that way.
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If you want this to end, all you have to do is admit that you're a
forced birther.
Oh? So you're now trying to force people to bend to your terms?

Naa, you just go on with your made up terms. I'm laughing and you're losing.
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And, the reason you have to make such and admission is because you
-are- a forced birther.
What ever. There is a reason that abortion is losing support from women. You're part of that reason.
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Lying about it won't help you.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
Post by c***@comcast.net
The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
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I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Notice how Heishman cut -all- the quotes where you proved he's a lying
sack of shit?
Notice the blustery retreat with -no- clarification at all?
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=..
Read it and see for yourself that there is no possible interpretation
of what Heishman wrote that doesn't leave him a lying liar and a
forced birther.
Neither was there any clarification as he claimed... only a denial
that supporting the requirement that doctors have admitting privileges
at local hospitals, as he did when he wrote "Which they should." and
thus preventing them from practicing and preventing women from
accessing them for an abortion, is the same as preventing women from
accessing abortion.
Or, in other words...
He seems to think that preventing women from accessing an abortion
isn't the same as preventing a woman from having an abortion.
I'm just curious. Does it hurt much? I mean, you having to harbor on to things for so long and be so desperate? Does it hurt a lot?
No, rightard.
Well, you would have to have a conscious in order to feel anything. So it probably doesn't hurt that you're left with nothing else.
Yawn.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Bitch slapping stupid, lying, rightard forced birthers, like you, is
very satisfying.
That's right, go on with your bad self now. You're left with nothing else to do but act that way.
You are a lying liar and a forced birther, rightard.

Live with it.
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If you want this to end, all you have to do is admit that you're a
forced birther.
Oh? So you're now trying to force people to bend to your terms?
Naa, you just go on with your made up terms. I'm laughing and you're losing.
You are a lying liar and a forced birther, rightard.

Live with it.
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And, the reason you have to make such and admission is because you
-are- a forced birther.
What ever. There is a reason that abortion is losing support from women. You're part of that reason.
Another lie.

Abortion rights are just as popular as they ever were.

That's why your fellow rightards are now running from the issue when
it comes to elections.

You are a lying liar and a forced birther.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Lying about it won't help you.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
Post by c***@comcast.net
The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
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I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Notice how Heishman cut -all- the quotes where you proved he's a lying
sack of shit?
Notice the blustery retreat with -no- clarification at all?
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=..
Read it and see for yourself that there is no possible interpretation
of what Heishman wrote that doesn't leave him a lying liar and a
forced birther.
Neither was there any clarification as he claimed... only a denial
that supporting the requirement that doctors have admitting privileges
at local hospitals, as he did when he wrote "Which they should." and
thus preventing them from practicing and preventing women from
accessing them for an abortion, is the same as preventing women from
accessing abortion.
Or, in other words...
He seems to think that preventing women from accessing an abortion
isn't the same as preventing a woman from having an abortion.
I'm just curious. Does it hurt much? I mean, you having to harbor on to things for so long and be so desperate? Does it hurt a lot?
No, rightard.
Well, you would have to have a conscious in order to feel anything. So it probably doesn't hurt that you're left with nothing else.
Yawn.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Bitch slapping stupid, lying, rightard forced birthers, like you, is
very satisfying.
That's right, go on with your bad self now. You're left with nothing else to do but act that way.
You are a lying liar and a forced birther, rightard.
What ever Otto...what ever. Live with your own delusions.

Galaxy poll shows drop in support for abortion
http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/galaxy-poll-shows-drop-in-support-for-abortion/story-fnj4f7k1-1227069053261

Support for abortion dropping!
http://unitedfamiliesinternational.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/support-for-abortion-dropping/

Support for abortion drops to record low
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/23/support-for-abortion-drops-to-record-low/

Support Appears to Drop for Abortion Rights
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/us/02abortion.html?_r=0

And just think, we have morons like you to thank for the drop in support for Abortion.

Keep on doing what you do Otto, by all means.

It's just like the best gift for Conservatives is to let Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden talk as much as they want. The more they talk, the further they put their foot in their mouths.

And same for you...keep on going Otto. :)

We need you!
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
Post by c***@comcast.net
The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Notice how Heishman cut -all- the quotes where you proved he's a lying
sack of shit?
Notice the blustery retreat with -no- clarification at all?
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=..
Read it and see for yourself that there is no possible interpretation
of what Heishman wrote that doesn't leave him a lying liar and a
forced birther.
Neither was there any clarification as he claimed... only a denial
that supporting the requirement that doctors have admitting privileges
at local hospitals, as he did when he wrote "Which they should." and
thus preventing them from practicing and preventing women from
accessing them for an abortion, is the same as preventing women from
accessing abortion.
Or, in other words...
He seems to think that preventing women from accessing an abortion
isn't the same as preventing a woman from having an abortion.
I'm just curious. Does it hurt much? I mean, you having to harbor on to things for so long and be so desperate? Does it hurt a lot?
No, rightard.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Bitch slapping stupid, lying, rightard forced birthers, like you, is
very satisfying.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
If you want this to end, all you have to do is admit that you're a
forced birther.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
And, the reason you have to make such and admission is because you
-are- a forced birther.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Lying about it won't help you.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Heh heh...
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make. If only those
who support abortion could realize that. But then they wouldn't have
anything to say, would they??


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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
Post by c***@comcast.net
The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Notice how Heishman cut -all- the quotes where you proved he's a lying
sack of shit?
Notice the blustery retreat with -no- clarification at all?
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=..
Read it and see for yourself that there is no possible interpretation
of what Heishman wrote that doesn't leave him a lying liar and a
forced birther.
Neither was there any clarification as he claimed... only a denial
that supporting the requirement that doctors have admitting privileges
at local hospitals, as he did when he wrote "Which they should." and
thus preventing them from practicing and preventing women from
accessing them for an abortion, is the same as preventing women from
accessing abortion.
Or, in other words...
He seems to think that preventing women from accessing an abortion
isn't the same as preventing a woman from having an abortion.
I'm just curious. Does it hurt much? I mean, you having to harbor on to things for so long and be so desperate? Does it hurt a lot?
No, rightard.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Bitch slapping stupid, lying, rightard forced birthers, like you, is
very satisfying.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
If you want this to end, all you have to do is admit that you're a
forced birther.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
And, the reason you have to make such and admission is because you
-are- a forced birther.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Lying about it won't help you.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Heh heh...
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Fanatic and irrational insults do not an argument make. If only those
who support abortion could realize that. But then they wouldn't have
anything to say, would they??
The insults I use are in -addition- to the arguments I make, not a
substitute for it, as you rightards rely on.

Heishman is a lying liar and a forced birther.

I've proved -both-.

That you're too rightarded to grasp that is your problem, not mine.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
Which you do all the time, fraud.
Check your feelings. You know you do this all of the time, then lie about it.
Of course I do it. I have never denied that I insult people, douchebag. So there's you, full of shit once more.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
So why don't you clarify what you meant by that comment. What is your
position on that issue?
It's been hashed out before. Go do a search on this and read it for yourself.
Provide the information I need in order to find the post, numbnuts. I can't search for it without additional info.
Go research it yourself. I don't even remember the message ID it was so long ago.
You continue to expect me to scroll through a bazillion posts for you. Why should I?
Post by c***@comcast.net
The topic originally started on doctors having admission rights, and THAT is what I was talking about.
Okay, why not just tell me now what you think about hospital admission rights as it relates to abortion? It seems to me demanding that abortion providers have such admission rights could put abortion clinics out of business. Your opinion is....?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Ask Silent Otto to provide you the Message ID and read all of the postings.
There you will find myself clarifying my position to him, back when he started trying to run with this lie.
Why can't you do it? Why do you expect Otto to do it?
I did. The topic was about doctors having admission rights. I don't recall all of the conversation now or what even brought it about, but when I said that it was questioning why shouldn't they have admission rights. And it wasn't about abortion.
For you to suggest anything different would be a lie.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
I'm asking you, right now, what your position is. For all I know it's changed since then anyway.
I've said enough about it.
Nope.

Why aren't you concerned enough about women's health to demand the same restrictions on plastic surgery mills, since plastic surgery is at least a few orders of magnitude more dangerous than abortion?
In fact, since more people die in the dentist's chair than in abortion clinics, why shouldn't all dentists have admitting privileges?
It would mean shutting down virtually all plastic surgery, not a bad thing, but eliminating all the dentists or causing them to increase their prices by a factor of about 2K might cause considerable harm, don't you think?
Or *don't* you?

Now go blow up that room you and Assnole are contaminating with your Nazi sex games!
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Why do you hate the Jews, lizzy?

Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
yellow-eyed, sagging jowl, anti-Semitic, Holocaust denying loser.


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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
I took nothing out of context, rightard.

In the thread where this came up, I pointed out to you that
Mississippi had passed a law requiring doctors who perform abortions
to have admitting privileges at local hospitals.

Your response was "Which they should. Why shouldn't they?"

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=en&dmode=source
Post by c***@comcast.net
What he wants is these certified physicians to have admitting rights
at local hospitals.
Which they should. Why shouldn't they?
Post by c***@comcast.net
And, the reason he wants physicians to have admitting rights at local
hospitals is because he knows, for a variety of reasons, that
admitting rights are almost impossible for abortion doctors to obtain
in Mississippi.
End quote:

So, rightard, explain exactly what was taken out of context.

You are a lying liar and a forced birther.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Liberals are liars.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
Are you saying that I'm actively trying to discourage pregnant women
from carrying their pregnancy to term, rightard?

Do you have any evidence that I'm engaging in such conduct?
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
It's a lie because only a small percentage of women who carry a
pregnancy to term die as a result of the pregnancy.

Telling all women that "they are going to die if they get pregnant and
have a baby" speaks with certainty and finality that doesn't exist.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
That's not propaganda.

That's scientifically accurate information.

I understand why a forced birther, like yourself, wouldn't want women
to have such information.

That's why the good people of this news group make sure women have
access to it.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Pointing out that you are a lying liar and a forced birther isn't a
lie, rightard.

It's a fact.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.

You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
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That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.

But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.

You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.

But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
One doesn't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and
still claim to be pro-choice, rightard.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
I have before and I did again, along with a link to the original post
where you wrote it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why are you lying?
I'm not, rightard.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You -did- support "those means", rightard.

That's why I call you a lying liar and a forced birther.
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
Because it's those five words that prove you're a forced birther,
rightard.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Heh heh....
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
I'm just demonstrating your mentality and your mental illness, that's all.
You probably can't help it. I do take that into consideration.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
I took nothing out of context, rightard.
You most certainly did. And we have been over this many times before. I've told you that you took my words out of context before and I explained my position and what I said those words in reference to, which had nothing to do with what you said it was about.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
In the thread where this came up, I pointed out to you that
Mississippi had passed a law requiring doctors who perform abortions
to have admitting privileges at local hospitals.
Your response was "Which they should. Why shouldn't they?"
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=en&dmode=source
Post by c***@comcast.net
What he wants is these certified physicians to have admitting rights
at local hospitals.
Which they should. Why shouldn't they?
Correct, the issue was on admitting rights. And as I said before, that was what I was referring to. Nothing about abortion doctors.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
And, the reason he wants physicians to have admitting rights at local
hospitals is because he knows, for a variety of reasons, that
admitting rights are almost impossible for abortion doctors to obtain
in Mississippi.
So, rightard, explain exactly what was taken out of context.
You are a lying liar and a forced birther.
Ah, the plea on emotion with made up terms. Just a part of your mental illness.

Yawn
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Liberals are liars.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
Are you saying that I'm actively trying to discourage pregnant women
from carrying their pregnancy to term, rightard?
Do you have any evidence that I'm engaging in such conduct?
Did I say that?

Or are you going to make up another claim?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
It's a lie because only a small percentage of women who carry a
pregnancy to term die as a result of the pregnancy.
But yet, it's what you seem to be focused on.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Telling all women that "they are going to die if they get pregnant and
have a baby" speaks with certainty and finality that doesn't exist.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
That's not propaganda.
That's scientifically accurate information.
I understand why a forced birther, like yourself, wouldn't want women
to have such information.
And I understand that due to your mental illness, you're incapable of rational thought.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's why the good people of this news group make sure women have
access to it.
I don't know anyone personally who is trying to block access. I don't block access and I don't associate with anyone who does.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Pointing out that you are a lying liar and a forced birther isn't a
lie, rightard.
Again, I take into account your sickness.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
It's a fact.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Again, that issue with you and your mental illness, preventing you from rational discussion.
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
So saying I think abortion is wrong is somehow now "forcing" others?
Wow!!

Have you seriously considered mental therapy?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
Why thank you, I'm glad I have your permission.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
You'll do nothing to me, understand?
And I don't "enforce" my choices on anyone.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
It's odd how you talk about only the negative to promote your agenda and totally dismiss and ignore the other parts.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Really? How am I trying to force my choice on others.
By speaking and typing, you show me how that is "forcing" my choice on others.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
One doesn't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and
still claim to be pro-choice, rightard.
I don't support laws that make abortions unobtainable.
I asked you why doctors shouldn't have admitting rights.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
I have before and I did again, along with a link to the original post
where you wrote it.
And your link shows you distort and lie. I was referring to admission rights.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why are you lying?
I'm not, rightard.
You are. Have you been treated? Seriously? I'm thinking pathological lying is part of your main problem.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You -did- support "those means", rightard.
Nope.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's why I call you a lying liar and a forced birther.
Maybe you need to be admitted?
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
Because it's those five words that prove you're a forced birther,
rightard.
No, it's due to your mental illness and your obsession, that you feel the drive and desire to distort and lie. You can't help yourself. Seriously, I'm thinking you need months of therapy.
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Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Heh heh....
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
I'm just demonstrating your mentality and your mental illness, that's all.
You probably can't help it. I do take that into consideration.
I know you don't like being called a lying liar and a forced birther,
rightard.

But, the problem for you is that you ARE a lying liar and a forced
birther.

The solution for you isn't to whine about me, it's to stop lying and
to stop supporting laws that make it more difficult or impossible for
women to get an abortion.
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But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
I took nothing out of context, rightard.
You most certainly did. And we have been over this many times before. I've told you that you took my words out of context before and I explained my position and what I said those words in reference to, which had nothing to do with what you said it was about.
The context has been provided many times.

You keep claiming that what you wrote had nothing to do with with the
clause in Mississippi's trap law that's shutting down all the state's
clinics, and that's an obvious lie.

That's why you get called a lying liar and a forced birther.
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In the thread where this came up, I pointed out to you that
Mississippi had passed a law requiring doctors who perform abortions
to have admitting privileges at local hospitals.
Your response was "Which they should. Why shouldn't they?"
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=en&dmode=source
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What he wants is these certified physicians to have admitting rights
at local hospitals.
Which they should. Why shouldn't they?
Correct, the issue was on admitting rights. And as I said before, that was what I was referring to. Nothing about abortion doctors.
Doctors having admitting rights is the clause in the law that
Mississippi, and now other states, are using to close down women's
health care clinics, rightard.

Doctors being required to have admitting rights IS an abortion law and
a restriction.

Did you get that rightard?

DOCTORS BEING REQUIRED TO HAVE ADMITTING RIGHTS IS AN ABORTION LAW AND
A RESTRICTION.

You CAN'T separate this clause in the law from the right to
access an abortion, as you're trying to do.

They're the SAME THING.

The clause was specifically included in the TRAP law to have the
precise effect that it's having.

The officials in Mississippi are well aware of the effect that clause
is having.

It was deliberate and intentional.

As I pointed out at the time, one of the writers of the law plainly
said that the intent of the law was to MAKE ABORTION UNOBTAINABLE IN
MISSISSIPPI.

Further, they recently argued in court that making abortion
unobtainable in Mississippi wasn't burdensome to Mississippi women
because they could always go to another state to have an abortion.

How many times do I have to repeat that before it penetrates your
thick skull and gets into your teeny, tiny rightard brain?

YOU support that law and restriction.

You are a forced birther.

And, that you deny being a forced birther also makes you a lying liar.

You are a lying liar and a forced birther.

Case closed.
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And, the reason he wants physicians to have admitting rights at local
hospitals is because he knows, for a variety of reasons, that
admitting rights are almost impossible for abortion doctors to obtain
in Mississippi.
So, rightard, explain exactly what was taken out of context.
You are a lying liar and a forced birther.
Ah, the plea on emotion with made up terms. Just a part of your mental illness.
Yawn
All terms were once made up.

You are a lying liar and a forced birther.
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Liberals are liars.
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You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
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Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
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So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
Are you saying that I'm actively trying to discourage pregnant women
from carrying their pregnancy to term, rightard?
Do you have any evidence that I'm engaging in such conduct?
Did I say that?
Or are you going to make up another claim?
I said that the goal was to provide women with scientifically accurate
information and you called me a liar.

Back up your claim that I'm lying or admit that YOU are a liar.
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What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
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Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
It's a lie because only a small percentage of women who carry a
pregnancy to term die as a result of the pregnancy.
But yet, it's what you seem to be focused on.
Those statistics almost always come up in the context of rightards
lying about how dangerous abortion is.

We set the record straight, and point out that abortion is far safer
than carrying a pregnancy to term.

I know you rightard forced birthers don't like that fact, but a fact
it is.
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Telling all women that "they are going to die if they get pregnant and
have a baby" speaks with certainty and finality that doesn't exist.
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Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
That's not propaganda.
That's scientifically accurate information.
I understand why a forced birther, like yourself, wouldn't want women
to have such information.
And I understand that due to your mental illness, you're incapable of rational thought.
By claiming that I'm mentally ill and irrational for providing such
information suggests that the information is wrong.

Else, why would providing such information make me mentally ill and
incapable of rational thought?

Do you have any evidence that the information is wrong, rightard?
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That's why the good people of this news group make sure women have
access to it.
I don't know anyone personally who is trying to block access. I don't block access and I don't associate with anyone who does.
Look in the mirror, rightard.

YOU are trying to block access to abortion.

You do so every time you support a TRAP law, filled with their
medically unnecessary requirements.

You are a forced birther, rightard.
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I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Pointing out that you are a lying liar and a forced birther isn't a
lie, rightard.
Again, I take into account your sickness.
Pointing out that you are a lying liar and a forced birther isn't a
lie, rightard.

It's a fact.
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It's a fact.
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Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Again, that issue with you and your mental illness, preventing you from rational discussion.
Are you claiming that people who read a statistic that says some small
percentage of women who carry a pregnancy to terms will have serious
complications don't understand that the rest won't have serious
complications?

Psst...

Not everyone is a rightard, rightard.
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That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
So saying I think abortion is wrong is somehow now "forcing" others?
Wow!!
Thinking abortion wrong isn't forcing.

Supporting laws that make abortion unobtainable IS forcing.

You support such laws.

"Which they should.", you wrote.

You are a lying liar and a forced birther, rightard.
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Have you seriously considered mental therapy?
No.

I don't need it.

I'm not the lying liar and forced birther in this discussion.

You are.
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Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
Why thank you, I'm glad I have your permission.
You're welcome.
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But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
You'll do nothing to me, understand?
I'm opposing you right now, rightard.

What are you going to do about it?
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And I don't "enforce" my choices on anyone.
That claim is why you're a lying liar.

You DO try to enforce your choices on others when you support TRAP
laws.
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Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
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What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
It's odd how you talk about only the negative to promote your agenda and totally dismiss and ignore the other parts.
Those statistics almost always come up in the context of rightard
forced birthers LYING about the safety of abortion.
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That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Really? How am I trying to force my choice on others.
By speaking and typing, you show me how that is "forcing" my choice on others.
You support TRAP laws.

"Which they should.", you wrote.

That makes you a forced birther.
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Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
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What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
One doesn't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and
still claim to be pro-choice, rightard.
I don't support laws that make abortions unobtainable.
That comment makes you a LYING LIAR.

You DID support laws that make abortions unobtainable.
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I asked you why doctors shouldn't have admitting rights.
No, rightard.

You wrote that doctors SHOULD have admitting rights.

"Which they should.", you wrote.

Doctors who perform abortions shouldn't be required to have admitting
rightards at local hospitals in order to practice because they can't
get admitting rights at local hospitals and therefore can't practice.

That clause in the law was included deliberately specifically to
prevent doctors who provide abortions from practicing.

And, you support it.

That makes you a forced birther.

Really, rightard...

It's not that complicated.
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"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
I have before and I did again, along with a link to the original post
where you wrote it.
And your link shows you distort and lie. I was referring to admission rights.
How does linking to YOUR post show that I distort and lie, rightard?

Take all the space you need to explain how YOUR words become MY
distortion.

Rightards... Unfuckingbelieveable...
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Why are you lying?
I'm not, rightard.
You are. Have you been treated? Seriously? I'm thinking pathological lying is part of your main problem.
I'm not lying.

I understand that you don't like being called a lying liar and a
forced birther.

The solution to your problem is to stop lying and to stop being a
forced birther.
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Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
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Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You -did- support "those means", rightard.
Nope.
Yes, rightard, you did.

"Which they should.", you wrote.
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That's why I call you a lying liar and a forced birther.
Maybe you need to be admitted?
For pointing out that you're a lying liar and a forced birther?

Do tell...
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Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
Because it's those five words that prove you're a forced birther,
rightard.
No, it's due to your mental illness and your obsession, that you feel the drive and desire to distort and lie. You can't help yourself. Seriously, I'm thinking you need months of therapy.
I understand that you don't like being called a lying liar and a
forced birther.

The solution to your problem is to stop lying and to stop being a
forced birther.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
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"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
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"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
I'm just demonstrating your mentality and your mental illness, that's all.
You probably can't help it. I do take that into consideration.
I know you don't like being called a lying liar and a forced birther,
rightard.
But, the problem for you is that you ARE a lying liar and a forced
birther.
The solution for you isn't to whine about me, it's to stop lying and
to stop supporting laws that make it more difficult or impossible for
women to get an abortion.
Tsk tsk tsk...I'm worried about you. For you to harbor this for so long, you must be just foaming and spewing with anger.

Look, like I said before and I'll say again. I wasn't meaning it in reference to forcing women to not have abortions. And if that's how you perceived it, then it's your misunderstanding. I've said what I said, and I'll say it again.

I don't support any laws that would prevent women from obtaining an abortion in their early stages of pregnancy. Period.

If you want to harbor this for the rest of your life, you go right ahead. But I am worried about you, because I'm worried what you might do to others outside of this newsgroup.

If you want to stamp your feet and call me made up terms, if that makes you feel better. You go right ahead. Go lay in bed with lefty and between you, elizabeth, and lefty you can have your little threesome.

I'm slowly walking away now, because I'm not sure if you're going to completely snap or not.

Careful...

It's ok Otto...it's ok. No one is going to hurt you.
If you want to call me names..it's ok Otto.

What a NUTCASE!
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Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
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"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
I'm just demonstrating your mentality and your mental illness, that's all.
You probably can't help it. I do take that into consideration.
I know you don't like being called a lying liar and a forced birther,
rightard.
But, the problem for you is that you ARE a lying liar and a forced
birther.
The solution for you isn't to whine about me, it's to stop lying and
to stop supporting laws that make it more difficult or impossible for
women to get an abortion.
Tsk tsk tsk...I'm worried about you. For you to harbor this for so long, you must be just foaming and spewing with anger.
Blah blah blah.

You're a lying liar and a forced birther, rightard.

I'm not interested in your comic book level psychoanalysis.
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Look, like I said before and I'll say again. I wasn't meaning it in reference to forcing women to not have abortions. And if that's how you perceived it, then it's your misunderstanding. I've said what I said, and I'll say it again.
How the hell else can that law be taken?

It was a law specifically intended to close abortion clinics, and it
-did- close abortion clinics when it was applied.

You supported the law.

Now, you're sitting at your computer telling me that you supported a
law designed to close abortion clinics but you didn't want abortion
clinics to close???

How the hell does that work, rightard?

What if I were to say to you that I'm opposed to increasing taxes but
I support a law that would increase taxes?

You'd rightfully say that I'm full of shit when I say I oppose raising
taxes.

Well, rightard, you're full of shit when you say you're not a forced
birther.

You ARE a forced birther.
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I don't support any laws that would prevent women from obtaining an abortion in their early stages of pregnancy. Period.
You DID support a law that prevents women form obtaining an abortion
in their early stages of pregnancy, rightard.


DID, DID, DID...

"Which they should.", you wrote.

Neither have you EVER retracted your support for the law.

That makes you a lying liar and a forced birther, and I'm going to
remind you when ever I read you saying that you're not a forced
birther.

You ARE a forced birther, rightard.

Live with it.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
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If you want to harbor this for the rest of your life, you go right ahead. But I am worried about you, because I'm worried what you might do to others outside of this newsgroup.
If you want to stamp your feet and call me made up terms, if that makes you feel better. You go right ahead. Go lay in bed with lefty and between you, elizabeth, and lefty you can have your little threesome.
I'm slowly walking away now, because I'm not sure if you're going to completely snap or not.
Careful...
It's ok Otto...it's ok. No one is going to hurt you.
If you want to call me names..it's ok Otto.
What a NUTCASE!
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
I'm just demonstrating your mentality and your mental illness, that's all.
You probably can't help it. I do take that into consideration.
I know you don't like being called a lying liar and a forced birther,
rightard.
But, the problem for you is that you ARE a lying liar and a forced
birther.
The solution for you isn't to whine about me, it's to stop lying and
to stop supporting laws that make it more difficult or impossible for
women to get an abortion.
Tsk tsk tsk...I'm worried about you. For you to harbor this for so long, you must be just foaming and spewing with anger.
Blah blah blah.
...
You're on the losing end pal. There is a reason abortion is losing the support from women. And it's people like you.

Just go back to making up terms, distorting what people say, and lying. That's all you've been reduced to being able to do.
S***@hotmail.com
2014-11-02 19:17:11 UTC
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
I'm just demonstrating your mentality and your mental illness, that's all.
You probably can't help it. I do take that into consideration.
I know you don't like being called a lying liar and a forced birther,
rightard.
But, the problem for you is that you ARE a lying liar and a forced
birther.
The solution for you isn't to whine about me, it's to stop lying and
to stop supporting laws that make it more difficult or impossible for
women to get an abortion.
Tsk tsk tsk...I'm worried about you. For you to harbor this for so long, you must be just foaming and spewing with anger.
Blah blah blah.
...
You're on the losing end pal. There is a reason abortion is losing the support from women. And it's people like you.
Abortion isn't losing support from women.

That's another big, fat, rightard lie.

You are a lying liar and a forced birther, rightard.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just go back to making up terms, distorting what people say, and lying. That's all you've been reduced to being able to do.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-01 05:04:42 UTC
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
I took nothing out of context, rightard.
In the thread where this came up, I pointed out to you that
Mississippi had passed a law requiring doctors who perform abortions
to have admitting privileges at local hospitals.
Your response was "Which they should. Why shouldn't they?"
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=en&dmode=source
Post by c***@comcast.net
What he wants is these certified physicians to have admitting rights
at local hospitals.
Which they should. Why shouldn't they?
Post by c***@comcast.net
And, the reason he wants physicians to have admitting rights at local
hospitals is because he knows, for a variety of reasons, that
admitting rights are almost impossible for abortion doctors to obtain
in Mississippi.
So, rightard, explain exactly what was taken out of context.
You are a lying liar and a forced birther.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Liberals are liars.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
Are you saying that I'm actively trying to discourage pregnant women
from carrying their pregnancy to term, rightard?
Do you have any evidence that I'm engaging in such conduct?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
It's a lie because only a small percentage of women who carry a
pregnancy to term die as a result of the pregnancy.
Telling all women that "they are going to die if they get pregnant and
have a baby" speaks with certainty and finality that doesn't exist.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
That's not propaganda.
That's scientifically accurate information.
I understand why a forced birther, like yourself, wouldn't want women
to have such information.
That's why the good people of this news group make sure women have
access to it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Pointing out that you are a lying liar and a forced birther isn't a
lie, rightard.
It's a fact.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
One doesn't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and
still claim to be pro-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
I have before and I did again, along with a link to the original post
where you wrote it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why are you lying?
I'm not, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You -did- support "those means", rightard.
That's why I call you a lying liar and a forced birther.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
Because it's those five words that prove you're a forced birther,
rightard.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Ah, yes... when all else fails...first insult and then "kill the messenger." The
motto of the "pro-abortion lynch mob." All you need is a pitchfork and a torch,
since you already have the mob.


Planet Visitor II
S***@hotmail.com
2014-11-01 18:21:21 UTC
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 01:04:42 -0400, Planet Visitor II
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
I took nothing out of context, rightard.
In the thread where this came up, I pointed out to you that
Mississippi had passed a law requiring doctors who perform abortions
to have admitting privileges at local hospitals.
Your response was "Which they should. Why shouldn't they?"
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=en&dmode=source
Post by c***@comcast.net
What he wants is these certified physicians to have admitting rights
at local hospitals.
Which they should. Why shouldn't they?
Post by c***@comcast.net
And, the reason he wants physicians to have admitting rights at local
hospitals is because he knows, for a variety of reasons, that
admitting rights are almost impossible for abortion doctors to obtain
in Mississippi.
So, rightard, explain exactly what was taken out of context.
You are a lying liar and a forced birther.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Liberals are liars.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
Are you saying that I'm actively trying to discourage pregnant women
from carrying their pregnancy to term, rightard?
Do you have any evidence that I'm engaging in such conduct?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
It's a lie because only a small percentage of women who carry a
pregnancy to term die as a result of the pregnancy.
Telling all women that "they are going to die if they get pregnant and
have a baby" speaks with certainty and finality that doesn't exist.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
That's not propaganda.
That's scientifically accurate information.
I understand why a forced birther, like yourself, wouldn't want women
to have such information.
That's why the good people of this news group make sure women have
access to it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Pointing out that you are a lying liar and a forced birther isn't a
lie, rightard.
It's a fact.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
One doesn't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and
still claim to be pro-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
I have before and I did again, along with a link to the original post
where you wrote it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why are you lying?
I'm not, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You -did- support "those means", rightard.
That's why I call you a lying liar and a forced birther.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
Because it's those five words that prove you're a forced birther,
rightard.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Ah, yes... when all else fails...first insult and then "kill the messenger." The
motto of the "pro-abortion lynch mob." All you need is a pitchfork and a torch,
since you already have the mob.
Planet Visitor II
If you lying, racist, batshit crazy, dogshit stupid rightards don't
like being called "lying, racist, batshit crazy, dogshit stupid
rightards", then stop being lying, racist, batshit crazy, dogshit
stupid rightards, rightard.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-02 03:52:10 UTC
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Post by S***@hotmail.com
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 01:04:42 -0400, Planet Visitor II
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
I took nothing out of context, rightard.
In the thread where this came up, I pointed out to you that
Mississippi had passed a law requiring doctors who perform abortions
to have admitting privileges at local hospitals.
Your response was "Which they should. Why shouldn't they?"
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=en&dmode=source
Post by c***@comcast.net
What he wants is these certified physicians to have admitting rights
at local hospitals.
Which they should. Why shouldn't they?
Post by c***@comcast.net
And, the reason he wants physicians to have admitting rights at local
hospitals is because he knows, for a variety of reasons, that
admitting rights are almost impossible for abortion doctors to obtain
in Mississippi.
So, rightard, explain exactly what was taken out of context.
You are a lying liar and a forced birther.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Liberals are liars.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
Are you saying that I'm actively trying to discourage pregnant women
from carrying their pregnancy to term, rightard?
Do you have any evidence that I'm engaging in such conduct?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
It's a lie because only a small percentage of women who carry a
pregnancy to term die as a result of the pregnancy.
Telling all women that "they are going to die if they get pregnant and
have a baby" speaks with certainty and finality that doesn't exist.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
That's not propaganda.
That's scientifically accurate information.
I understand why a forced birther, like yourself, wouldn't want women
to have such information.
That's why the good people of this news group make sure women have
access to it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Pointing out that you are a lying liar and a forced birther isn't a
lie, rightard.
It's a fact.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
One doesn't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and
still claim to be pro-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
I have before and I did again, along with a link to the original post
where you wrote it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why are you lying?
I'm not, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You -did- support "those means", rightard.
That's why I call you a lying liar and a forced birther.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
Because it's those five words that prove you're a forced birther,
rightard.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Ah, yes... when all else fails...first insult and then "kill the messenger." The
motto of the "pro-abortion lynch mob." All you need is a pitchfork and a torch,
since you already have the mob.
Planet Visitor II
If you lying, racist, batshit crazy, dogshit stupid rightards don't
like being called "lying, racist, batshit crazy, dogshit stupid
rightards", then stop being lying, racist, batshit crazy, dogshit
stupid rightards, rightard.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
You're still trying to kill the messenger, silent otto.

But take your best shot, you crass, perverse, Nazi-loving, Jew-hating,
Shoah-denying, racist sociopath... you have nothing better to
do than continue spewing out your fatuous hate, greasy racism,
apoplectic rage, and your putrid nexus of venom, bile and Nazism --
plus your bicephalous hedonistic drivel and creepy murderer-loving
opinions --- so permit me to offer a withering, scornful, mocking,
contemptuous mention of your colossal hubris and equally towering
lies, racism, sophistry, malevolence. and hebephrenic ignorance;
you sleazy, anal, puerile, uneducated, emotionally dysfunctional,
jingoist, misogynist, phrenetic, brain-damaged, cretin cocksucker.

Best wishes....


Planet Visitor II
S***@hotmail.com
2014-11-02 19:19:39 UTC
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 23:52:10 -0400, Planet Visitor II
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by S***@hotmail.com
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 01:04:42 -0400, Planet Visitor II
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Why do you want to force women to accept these risks?
"There were 4,673,700 pregnancy and delivery hospital stays recorded in these hospital discharge data among females ages 15 to 44 years in 2008. As shown in table 1, there were 473,700 non-delivery maternal hospital stays with complicating conditions as a principal or secondary diagnosis. Among the 4.2 million deliveries in 2008, the vast majority (94.1 percent) listed some type of complicating condition."
http://www.hcup-us.ahrq.gov/reports/statbriefs/sb113.jsp
"Pregnancy symptoms and complications can range from mild and annoying discomforts to severe, sometimes life-threatening, illnesses. Sometimes it can be difficult for a woman to determine which symptoms are normal and which are not. Problems during pregnancy may include physical and mental conditions that affect the health of the mother or the baby. These problems can be caused by or can be made worse by being pregnant."
<snip>
"Maternal morbidity includes physical and psychologic conditions that result from or are aggravated by pregnancy and have an adverse effect on a woman's health. The most severe complications of pregnancy, generally referred to as severe maternal morbidity (SMM), affect more than 50,000 women in the United States every year. Based on recent trends, this burden has been steadily increasing."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregcomplications.htm
In a free society we do not have to assume any level of health risk which is not acceptable to us, especially not to conform to a notion of morality which we do not personally agree with. If you do not desire to live in a free society where women have the right to self-determination, you might want to consider moving to Iran.
Well, to entertain you a bit. Knowing you the way I do, I know you will make baseless claims and assumptions. I also know you love playing on made up terms. Be that as it may...
I don't know anyone who is actually "anti-choice". I think most people I know, including myself, believe in people having the right to make any legal choice they wish too.
Sure you do, rightard.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. First, attack and name call.
It's not like we haven't already established that you're a rightard,
rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
But, you also support changing laws that make it impossible for a
woman to actually get an abortion.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote in reference to the
clause in Mississippi's anti-abortion law requiring all doctors in
Mississippi who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a
local hospital, the same clause that's making abortion unobtainable
across the state.
Take note on how the liberal behaves. Taking a comment made in another conversation and deliberately taking it out of context or trying to mislead the reader. When we have had this conversation many times in the past and this person has been corrected numerous times to his lie, his deliberate attempt to mislead and distort what was said. Take note that he only takes five words from a conversation that had hundreds and tries to mislead the reader into trying to believe I said something about a totally different subject matter.
I took nothing out of context, rightard.
In the thread where this came up, I pointed out to you that
Mississippi had passed a law requiring doctors who perform abortions
to have admitting privileges at local hospitals.
Your response was "Which they should. Why shouldn't they?"
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/cda59a65127ca415?hl=en&dmode=source
Post by c***@comcast.net
What he wants is these certified physicians to have admitting rights
at local hospitals.
Which they should. Why shouldn't they?
Post by c***@comcast.net
And, the reason he wants physicians to have admitting rights at local
hospitals is because he knows, for a variety of reasons, that
admitting rights are almost impossible for abortion doctors to obtain
in Mississippi.
So, rightard, explain exactly what was taken out of context.
You are a lying liar and a forced birther.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Liberals are liars.
Post by S***@hotmail.com
You don't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and also
claim that you aren't anti-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Now, if I was to say I was "anti-choice", it would be that I oppose choosing illegal activities. Such as theft, murder, rape, or other criminal acts. I would oppose someone "choosing" to drive a car also after they have been drinking.
See above.
Post by c***@comcast.net
So answer me this.
What do you propose to happen after spewing forth these facts you like to spread?
Ummmm... Nothing?
The goal is to provide scientifically accurate information to counter
the lies spread by anti-abortion liars.
Says the liberal who lies.
Are you saying that I'm actively trying to discourage pregnant women
from carrying their pregnancy to term, rightard?
Do you have any evidence that I'm engaging in such conduct?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
What others choose to do with that information is up to them.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Shall we tell all women they are going to die if they get pregnant and have a baby?
That would be a lie.
How is it a lie?
It's a lie because only a small percentage of women who carry a
pregnancy to term die as a result of the pregnancy.
Telling all women that "they are going to die if they get pregnant and
have a baby" speaks with certainty and finality that doesn't exist.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Do you or do you not go around promoting propaganda in this newsgroup telling people about how the woman's body is under attack from the fetus, the mortality rates, and other horrible things to convince women that pregnancy is so dangerous?
That's not propaganda.
That's scientifically accurate information.
I understand why a forced birther, like yourself, wouldn't want women
to have such information.
That's why the good people of this news group make sure women have
access to it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
I know you anti-abortion freaks aren't opposed to lying, but the rest
of us are.
Says the liberal who is lying about me in this very posting.
Pointing out that you are a lying liar and a forced birther isn't a
lie, rightard.
It's a fact.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start campaigns to push women towards aborting, because if they don't...they could have serious health complications or die?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Should we start putting up pictures like...having a baby (put up a equal sign) and then put up a picture of a grave stone?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
What is it that you propose? Would you like to make laws to force women to abort, because you're so concerned about all these complications?
Why would we do that?
Once they have scientifically accurate information, they're capable of
making up their own minds.
What is the scientifically accurate information for women who have perfectly healthy and normal pregnancies with no complications what so ever?
Are you making that available?
They're covered in the portion of the statistics where the women don't
suffer ill effects or die from carrying a pregnancy to term, rightard.
You do know how statistics work, don't you, rightard?
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
That's what pro-choice means, rightard.
Why don't you support people who "choose" to oppose abortion?
Because you're trying to force your choice onto others by making
abortion unobtainable.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why don't you support their freedom to their own choices?
You're free to oppose abortion all you want.
But, when you try to enforce your choice on other people, I'll oppose
you.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
What do you do for women who are pregnant now? Do you help them? Do you support them? Do you make sure they get medical care? You are concerned, right?
It's not the pro-choice side that's forcing the closure of women's
health clinics any place Republicans have sufficient control over
state legislatures, rightard.
It's "anti-choicers", like you.
Says the liberal who lies.
One doesn't get to support laws that make abortion unobtainable and
still claim to be pro-choice, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you not putting the entire context in this? Why are you just cutting out five words?
I have before and I did again, along with a link to the original post
where you wrote it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Why are you lying?
I'm not, rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Who are the "anti-choicers" you claim exist.
You are an "anti-choicer", rightard.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Just because someone opposes the choice to abort means he or she wants to force women to give birth?
When you support removing the means by which a woman can obtain an
abortion, yes, you're forcing them to give birth.
Which I don't support those means.
You -did- support "those means", rightard.
That's why I call you a lying liar and a forced birther.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by S***@hotmail.com
Post by c***@comcast.net
Are you saying a person can't oppose a choice but can still support the right to choose?
You're not limiting your opposition to the choice, rightard.
Your opposition extends to removing the means to exercise that choice.
"They should! Why shouldn't they?", you wrote.
Why are you only cutting five words from a conversation that had hundreds?
Because it's those five words that prove you're a forced birther,
rightard.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Ah, yes... when all else fails...first insult and then "kill the messenger." The
motto of the "pro-abortion lynch mob." All you need is a pitchfork and a torch,
since you already have the mob.
Planet Visitor II
If you lying, racist, batshit crazy, dogshit stupid rightards don't
like being called "lying, racist, batshit crazy, dogshit stupid
rightards", then stop being lying, racist, batshit crazy, dogshit
stupid rightards, rightard.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
You're still trying to kill the messenger, silent otto.
I'm pointing out that you rightards are lying, racist, batshit crazy
and dogshit stupid.

And, I pointing it out because you rightards -are- lying, racist,
batshit crazy and dogshit stupid.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.












.
Post by Planet Visitor II
But take your best shot, you crass, perverse, Nazi-loving, Jew-hating,
Shoah-denying, racist sociopath... you have nothing better to
do than continue spewing out your fatuous hate, greasy racism,
apoplectic rage, and your putrid nexus of venom, bile and Nazism --
plus your bicephalous hedonistic drivel and creepy murderer-loving
opinions --- so permit me to offer a withering, scornful, mocking,
contemptuous mention of your colossal hubris and equally towering
lies, racism, sophistry, malevolence. and hebephrenic ignorance;
you sleazy, anal, puerile, uneducated, emotionally dysfunctional,
jingoist, misogynist, phrenetic, brain-damaged, cretin cocksucker.
Best wishes....
Planet Visitor II
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-11-01 00:57:56 UTC
Permalink
Re-posted so Bob can't claim this is "out of context".
Post by c***@comcast.net
And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why
You, like any other rapist or serial killer, must dehumanize the fetus in >order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
Proof the lyin' scumbag Bob said I'm a rapist and a serial killer. How will he try to weasel out of this one, I wonder.

Usenet's most prolific and inept liar is none other than the Delaware prison guard and worthless right-wing thug, Robert J Heishman.
c***@comcast.net
2014-11-01 01:24:17 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Re-posted so Bob can't claim this is "out of context".
Post by c***@comcast.net
And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why
You, like any other rapist or serial killer, must dehumanize the fetus in >order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
Proof the lyin' scumbag Bob said I'm a rapist and a serial killer. How will he try to weasel out of this one, I wonder.
I'm glad you show your reading comprehension. I said "like any other rapist or serial killer". Meaning, you have the same thought pattern as a rapist or serial killer.

Is that clear enough.
I'm not saying you are a rapist or you are a serial killer. I'm saying your thought process is the same. To dehumanize the human victim. In your case, this would be the fetus.

No weaseling out, just a clarification for you since you seem to want something to run on.

My clarification is on record.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Usenet's most prolific and inept liar is none other than the Delaware prison guard and worthless right-wing thug, Robert J Heishman.
Is that intended to harass or shame?

You wouldn't want to try and harass or shame someone would you?
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-11-01 02:37:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Re-posted so Bob can't claim this is "out of context".
Post by c***@comcast.net
And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why
You, like any other rapist or serial killer, must dehumanize the fetus in >order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
Proof the lyin' scumbag Bob said I'm a rapist and a serial killer. How will he try to weasel out of this one, I wonder.
I'm glad you show your reading comprehension. I said "like any other rapist or serial killer". Meaning, you have the same thought pattern as a rapist or serial killer.
Is that clear enough.
No, it is not. "You, like any other rapist or serial killer" could only mean that I am, in addition to others, a rapist/serial killer. Are you saying it was just bad grammar and not slyly intentional? Why would I believe you?
Post by c***@comcast.net
I'm not saying you are a rapist or you are a serial killer.
Then you retract the statement?
Post by c***@comcast.net
I'm saying your thought process is the same. To dehumanize the human victim. In your case, this would be the fetus.
You can't dehumanize that which has no ability to know it's been dehumanized, idiot. The fetus doesn't know or care what people say about it or what is done to it.
A rapist/serial killer, OTOH, wants, needs an aware victim, wants the victim to know he/she is being dehumanized, wants the victim to feel pain.

So obviously there is no similarity in "thought pattern", weasel. A psychologist you are not. A liar you are.
Post by c***@comcast.net
No weaseling out, just a clarification for you since you seem to want something to run on.
Your alleged clarification made no sense, so of course I reject it.
Post by c***@comcast.net
My clarification is on record.
As a bunch of cowardly weasel words.
Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Usenet's most prolific and inept liar is none other than the Delaware prison guard and worthless right-wing thug, Robert J Heishman.
Is that intended to harass or shame?
If you post to me you can't cry harassment if I respond, punkass. If you tell a vicious lie about me and I respond by insulting you, you can't claim it's harassment, shitwit. You can maybe claim it's harassment if you clearly, sincerely ask me to never post to you again, and despite the fact that you never, ever respond to me, I keep after you for a long time with insults that have nothing to do with what you've posted, following you around usenet to do so.
Do you want to ask me not to post to you again, Bob?
Post by c***@comcast.net
You wouldn't want to try and harass or shame someone would you?
The people who I think deserve it (you, for example) aren't capable of shame for their actions and are too arrogant to feel harassed, so there's no point.
elizabeth
2014-11-01 02:29:56 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Re-posted so Bob can't claim this is "out of context".
Post by c***@comcast.net
And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why
You, like any other rapist or serial killer, must dehumanize the fetus in >order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
Proof the lyin' scumbag Bob said I'm a rapist and a serial killer. How will he try to weasel out of this one, I wonder.
Usenet's most prolific and inept liar is none other than the Delaware prison guard and worthless right-wing thug, Robert J Heishman.
He should have simply kept his promise and stayed out of the ng forever.
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-01 05:04:45 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Re-posted so Bob can't claim this is "out of context".
Post by c***@comcast.net
And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why
You, like any other rapist or serial killer, must dehumanize the fetus in
order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
Proof the lyin' scumbag Bob said I'm a rapist and a serial killer. How will he try to weasel out
of this one, I wonder.
No, he didn't. Perhaps you suffer from a guilty conscience.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Usenet's most prolific and inept liar is none other than the Delaware prison guard and
worthless right-wing thug, Robert J Heishman.
ROTFLMAO... When all is lost... "kill the messenger." The motto of the "pro-abortion
lynch mob."


Planet Visitor II
l***@yahoo.ca
2014-11-01 06:20:34 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Re-posted so Bob can't claim this is "out of context".
Post by c***@comcast.net
And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why
You, like any other rapist or serial killer, must dehumanize the fetus in
order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
Proof the lyin' scumbag Bob said I'm a rapist and a serial killer. How will he try to weasel out
of this one, I wonder.
No, he didn't.
Bzzt! Bullshit detected. Quote says he did, scum.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Perhaps you suffer from a guilty conscience.
You're an amateur at debate and a rank amateur at psychology, crud.
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Usenet's most prolific and inept liar is none other than the Delaware prison guard and
worthless right-wing thug, Robert J Heishman.
ROTFLMAO... When all is lost... "kill the messenger." The motto of the "pro-abortion
lynch mob."
You mean like you did to Mike Godwin, psychopath?
c***@comcast.net
2014-11-01 13:41:11 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Re-posted so Bob can't claim this is "out of context".
Post by c***@comcast.net
And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why
You, like any other rapist or serial killer, must dehumanize the fetus in
order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
Proof the lyin' scumbag Bob said I'm a rapist and a serial killer. How will he try to weasel out
of this one, I wonder.
No, he didn't.
Bzzt! Bullshit detected. Quote says he did, scum.
I clarified my position. For you to say anything different would be a lie.
My statement meant that you have the same thought patterns as a rapist or a serial killer, in that you must dehumanize.
That's been stated. For you to suggest anything else would be lying.
elizabeth
2014-11-01 22:10:56 UTC
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On Saturday, November 1, 2014 6:41:12 AM UTC-7, ***@comcast.net wrote:
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Post by c***@comcast.net
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Bzzt! Bullshit detected. Quote says he did, scum.
I clarified my position. For you to say anything different would be a lie.
My statement meant that you have the same thought patterns as a rapist or a serial killer, in that you must dehumanize.
That's been stated. For you to suggest anything else would be lying.\\
Care to cite any sources on forensic psych who say that the OP thought like a rapist or a serial killer?

So when did you become a profiler, hmmm? Unless you are now claiming to be an expert in that field?

Just kill yourself, Heishman, can't you do one good thing?
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-02 18:21:17 UTC
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<clip lizzy, the vulgar, sadistic, creepy, and bloodthirsty baby murderer, obsessing over
Heishman>

Oops... nothing left.

Why do you hate the Jews, lizzy??

Seek help, you sleazy, racist, penis-envying, garish, greasy hair, slag-mouth,
yellow-eyed, sagging jowl, anti-Semitic, Holocaust denying loser.


Planet Visitor II
Planet Visitor II
2014-11-02 18:20:24 UTC
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Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Re-posted so Bob can't claim this is "out of context".
Post by c***@comcast.net
And we both know why. The difference is, you're not honest enough to say why
You, like any other rapist or serial killer, must dehumanize the fetus in
order to accept the truth...which is that abortion kills a human.
Proof the lyin' scumbag Bob said I'm a rapist and a serial killer. How will he try to weasel out
of this one, I wonder.
No, he didn't.
Bzzt! Bullshit detected. Quote says he did, scum.
Sure... right after you provide a quote from me that claims I "raped" my wife.

BTW -- How's your "bedding" of your mother coming along???
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Perhaps you suffer from a guilty conscience.
You're an amateur at debate and a rank amateur at psychology, crud.
Ah... the "perhaps" now becomes the "quite probably." Denial using an
insult is the first sign of admission.
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Post by Planet Visitor II
Post by l***@yahoo.ca
Usenet's most prolific and inept liar is none other than the Delaware prison guard and
worthless right-wing thug, Robert J Heishman.
ROTFLMAO... When all is lost... "kill the messenger." The motto of the "pro-abortion
lynch mob."
You mean like you did to Mike Godwin, psychopath?
Mike Godwin was not a messenger bearing an argument from anyone
other than himself.

I have no problem killing (figuratively.. in words on the Internet) any
"messenger" who spreads Nazi propaganda that defends the Holocaust
by claiming that mentioning it makes one a "loser." But I notice that
you're quite defensive of the Nazi methods used in the Shoah.

The truth is that those who USE the message of Godwin, in claiming
they are the winners, are the true supporters of the Nazi attempt to
exterminate European Jewry. They want to bury it in the sands of
time.


Planet Visitor II

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